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On Tue, 24 May 2011 21:14:38 +0530
Mihira Fernando wrote:

...

> Adobe flashplayer comes to mind as well. While there is a 64 bit player,
> I've found that the 32bit one plays without any hiccups that the 64bit
> one seems to have (No need to have flash is evil debates here. Some of
> us wants to watch youtube and other flash sites).

Just FTR (although you probably know this), Flash isn't required for
YouTube; you can grab the videos with youtube-dl / clive, and play them
with your favorite video player. There are many advantages to this
method, including:

1) Better playback controls (as per a recent thread here)
2) You have a copy of the video, in case it's removed from YouTube
3) Flash is evil Wink

Celejar

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Camaleón's picture

On Mon, 30 May 2011 15:21:37 -0400, Celejar wrote:

> On Tue, 24 May 2011 21:14:38 +0530
> Mihira Fernando wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> Adobe flashplayer comes to mind as well. While there is a 64 bit
>> player, I've found that the 32bit one plays without any hiccups that
>> the 64bit one seems to have (No need to have flash is evil debates
>> here. Some of us wants to watch youtube and other flash sites).
>
> Just FTR (although you probably know this), Flash isn't required for
> YouTube; you can grab the videos with youtube-dl / clive, and play them
> with your favorite video player. There are many advantages to this
> method, including:
>
> 1) Better playback controls (as per a recent thread here)

I've found that those helper apps (like the "DownloadThemAll" firefox
extension) do not always work with all of the flash video sites out
there. I dunno exactly why though my guess is that they fail when
javascript comes into play.

And don't forget that videos are only a litte part of the flash based
sites, there games and online applications that depend on flash.

> 2) You have a copy of the video, in case it's removed from YouTube

And who in this world wants to have his terabyte hard disk full of cute -
meow- cats? Wink

3) Flash is evil Wink

Let me be a bit more picky here. Flash is evil because Adobe made it so.
Adobe's Flash Player, completely open, properly done, developed and
programmed could have its use.

Greetings,

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George Standish's picture

Shouldn't the subject be "AMD64 and i386"?

On 30/05/11 03:57 PM, Camaleón wrote:
> On Mon, 30 May 2011 15:21:37 -0400, Celejar wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 24 May 2011 21:14:38 +0530
>> Mihira Fernando wrote:
>>
>>> Adobe flashplayer comes to mind as well. While there is a 64 bit
>>> player, I've found that the 32bit one plays without any hiccups that
>>> the 64bit one seems to have (No need to have flash is evil debates
>>> here. Some of us wants to watch youtube and other flash sites).
>>
>> Just FTR (although you probably know this), Flash isn't required for
>> YouTube; you can grab the videos with youtube-dl / clive, and play them
>> with your favorite video player. There are many advantages to this
>> method, including:

With YouTube in particular, I find HTML5 and Gnash work very well on my
"free" systems. YMMV.

>> 1) Better playback controls (as per a recent thread here)
>
> I've found that those helper apps (like the "DownloadThemAll" firefox
> extension) do not always work with all of the flash video sites out
> there. I dunno exactly why though my guess is that they fail when
> javascript comes into play.
>
> And don't forget that videos are only a litte part of the flash based
> sites, there games and online applications that depend on flash.

I think it's sites that require flash for navigation that are an even
more serious issue.

> 3) Flash is evil Wink
>
> Let me be a bit more picky here. Flash is evil because Adobe made it so.
> Adobe's Flash Player, completely open, properly done, developed and
> programmed could have its use.

So, Flash is evil because it's not open source, and has been allowed to
become a "standard" of sorts.

George

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Doug's picture

On 05/30/2011 03:21 PM, Celejar wrote:
> On Tue, 24 May 2011 21:14:38 +0530
> Mihira Fernando wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> Adobe flashplayer comes to mind as well. While there is a 64 bit player,
>> I've found that the 32bit one plays without any hiccups that the 64bit
>> one seems to have (No need to have flash is evil debates here. Some of
>> us wants to watch youtube and other flash sites).
> Just FTR (although you probably know this), Flash isn't required for
> YouTube; you can grab the videos with youtube-dl / clive, and play them
> with your favorite video player. There are many advantages to this
> method, including:
>
> 1) Better playback controls (as per a recent thread here)
> 2) You have a copy of the video, in case it's removed from YouTube
> 3) Flash is evil Wink
>
> Celejar
Using pclos; installed youtube-dl (which you refer to) and youtube-download.
Both are scripts. I searched the youtube-dl for "clive" and found nothing,
nor did I find usage, altho it might be there--this is a very large script.
The youtube-download (perhaps not available on Debian?) does have usage
directions, and is quite small. I haven't tried either one. Comment?

--doug

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William Hopkins's picture

On 05/30/11 at 04:38pm, Doug wrote:
> Using pclos; installed youtube-dl (which you refer to) and youtube-download.
> Both are scripts. I searched the youtube-dl for "clive" and found nothing,
> nor did I find usage, altho it might be there--this is a very large script.
> The youtube-download (perhaps not available on Debian?) does have usage
> directions, and is quite small. I haven't tried either one. Comment?

On a Debian system, `apt-get install clive` will provide the clive utility for downloading videos from various video-hosting sites by URL.