[semi-OT] Dead Tyan machine??

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Hello,

Today I found that one of my Tyan machines was dead. It is a gt20b2865.
I've tried pulling the RAM and hard drives and turning it on. However,
there is no video at all. I tried plugging the RAM and hard drives back
in and again, no video. It emits a somewhat high-pitched beep at about
one-second intervals. I suspect a fried motherboard, but at this point
I am not sure. Can anyone with experience with Tyan machines confirm or
refute my suspicion based on the behavior I am observing?

Much appreciated.

Regards,

-Roberto

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[semi-OT] Dead Tyan machine??

Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Today I found that one of my Tyan machines was dead. It is a gt20b2865.
> I've tried pulling the RAM and hard drives and turning it on. However,
> there is no video at all. I tried plugging the RAM and hard drives back
> in and again, no video. It emits a somewhat high-pitched beep at about
> one-second intervals. I suspect a fried motherboard, but at this point
> I am not sure. Can anyone with experience with Tyan machines confirm or
> refute my suspicion based on the behavior I am observing?
>
> Much appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Roberto
>
>
The beeping is usually an indication of dead memory, but as you say it
could be the board as well. There is also a chance it could be the CPU
but on most boards you need to at least get CPU initialization before
you can get any output from the speaker. You said you removed the memory
but have you also tried with other memory as no memory, and failed
memory could possibly give the same result. possibly try one stick at a
time if you have multiple pieces installed and see how that goes.

Dave

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[semi-OT] Dead Tyan machine??

On Sun, Sep 30, 2007 at 07:13:57PM +1300, Dave Watkins wrote:
> >
> The beeping is usually an indication of dead memory, but as you say it
> could be the board as well. There is also a chance it could be the CPU
> but on most boards you need to at least get CPU initialization before
> you can get any output from the speaker. You said you removed the memory
> but have you also tried with other memory as no memory, and failed
> memory could possibly give the same result. possibly try one stick at a
> time if you have multiple pieces installed and see how that goes.
>
I will try that today after church. As it was around midnight when I
discovered the problem, I did not do too much troubleshooting for fear
that my fatigue and frustration would cause me to do something dumb.

Regards,

-Roberto

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http://people.connexer.com/~roberto
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[semi-OT] Dead Tyan machine??

On Sun, Sep 30, 2007 at 09:55:44AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2007 at 07:13:57PM +1300, Dave Watkins wrote:
> > >
> > The beeping is usually an indication of dead memory, but as you say it
> > could be the board as well. There is also a chance it could be the CPU
> > but on most boards you need to at least get CPU initialization before
> > you can get any output from the speaker. You said you removed the memory
> > but have you also tried with other memory as no memory, and failed
> > memory could possibly give the same result. possibly try one stick at a
> > time if you have multiple pieces installed and see how that goes.
> >
> I will try that today after church. As it was around midnight when I
> discovered the problem, I did not do too much troubleshooting for fear
> that my fatigue and frustration would cause me to do something dumb.
>
One other thought. Even if the memory were bad, should I not even see
some video? Perhaps the start of the POST? I know that on other
machines that I have had, you at least get the start of the POST and it
will even output that there is no memory or some sort of memory error.

Regards,

-Roberto

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[semi-OT] Dead Tyan machine??

On Sun, Sep 30, 2007 at 12:51:39AM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-09-30 at 00:30 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>
> Was it dead after a reboot or just died on it's own? If the prior, then
> could this possibly be due to a dead onboard CMOS battery?
>
When I found it, it was probably hung. I have no monitors near that
rack, so I did not look at the machine's state. I then rebooted and
then it came back with the beeping I described (one-second interval, the
beeps themselves being about a half-second long). After that, I carted
a monitor over to it and that was when I was unable to get any video to
the monitor. However, the monitor and keyboard both work since I was
able to plug them into the server just above it and have them work.

Any idea on how to trouble shoot the CMOS battery? I'd hate to ship a
whole server or buy a whole new one if that is the only problem.

Incidentally, I forgot to mention that when I tried to power on the
machine with the case open, I noticed near the left-rear of the
motherboard (noted while standing in front of the server) two seven
segment displays that quickly display "44" when the power first comes
one and then switch to "C1". I am not sure if this some sort of
diagnostic or something.

Regards,

-Roberto

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http://people.connexer.com/~roberto
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RE: [semi-OT] Dead Tyan machine??

> From: Roberto C. Sánchez
>
> Today I found that one of my Tyan machines was dead. It is a gt20b2865.
> I've tried pulling the RAM and hard drives and turning it on. However,
> there is no video at all. I tried plugging the RAM and hard drives back
> in and again, no video. It emits a somewhat high-pitched beep at about
> one-second intervals. I suspect a fried motherboard, but at this point
> I am not sure. Can anyone with experience with Tyan machines confirm or
> refute my suspicion based on the behavior I am observing?
>
> Much appreciated.
>
>
>From a quick Google search, this box has a Tyan Tomcat K8E mainboard. >From the manual for that:

4.1 Beep Codes
Fatal errors, which halt the boot process, are communicated through two kinds
of audible beeps.
* A single long beep followed by two short beeps: It indicates that a
video error has occurred.
* A single long beep repeatedly: It indicates that a DRAM error has
occurred.
The most common type of error is a memory error.

Hope this helps,

Dan Harris.

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[semi-OT] Dead Tyan machine??

On Sun, Sep 30, 2007 at 05:24:00PM +0100, Dan Harris wrote:
>
>From a quick Google search, this box has a Tyan Tomcat K8E mainboard. >From the manual for that:
>
> 4.1 Beep Codes
> Fatal errors, which halt the boot process, are communicated through two kinds
> of audible beeps.
> * A single long beep followed by two short beeps: It indicates that a
> video error has occurred.
> * A single long beep repeatedly: It indicates that a DRAM error has
> occurred.
> The most common type of error is a memory error.
>
OK. Well, it is apparently some sort of memory error. I was able to
get things "working" by swapping the position of the RAM modules in
slots 1 and 2 (they are numbered 1-4).

However, I am still having problems. Starting Xen guest domains results
in them hanging the whole machine. I have enabled debug-level logging,
but it is not showing anything useful. Just the domain starting, then
something like "unpausing domain" or "domain unpaused" (I am not in
front of the logs at the moment) and then the machine is hung. I reboot
and chekk all the dom0's logs and there is nothing to indicate a
problem.

Any ideas?

Regards,

-Roberto

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[semi-OT] Dead Tyan machine??

--On September 30, 2007 6:13:56 PM -0400 "Roberto C. Sánchez"
wrote:

> OK. Well, it is apparently some sort of memory error. I was able to
> get things "working" by swapping the position of the RAM modules in
> slots 1 and 2 (they are numbered 1-4).

Run memtest86 to verify memory issues, replace or remove the bad RAM.
Sounds pretty clear you have bad RAM, makes it really obvious what you need
to do, fix the bad RAM.

>
> However, I am still having problems. Starting Xen guest domains results
> in them hanging the whole machine. I have enabled debug-level logging,
> but it is not showing anything useful. Just the domain starting, then
> something like "unpausing domain" or "domain unpaused" (I am not in
> front of the logs at the moment) and then the machine is hung. I reboot
> and chekk all the dom0's logs and there is nothing to indicate a
> problem.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Regards,
>
> -Roberto
>
> --
> Roberto C. Sánchez
> http://people.connexer.com/~roberto
> http://www.connexer.com

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[semi-OT] Dead Tyan machine??

On Sun, Sep 30, 2007 at 04:25:23PM -0600, Michael Loftis wrote:
>
>
> --On September 30, 2007 6:13:56 PM -0400 "Roberto C. Sánchez"
> wrote:
>
>
> >OK. Well, it is apparently some sort of memory error. I was able to
> >get things "working" by swapping the position of the RAM modules in
> >slots 1 and 2 (they are numbered 1-4).
>
> Run memtest86 to verify memory issues, replace or remove the bad RAM.
> Sounds pretty clear you have bad RAM, makes it really obvious what you need
> to do, fix the bad RAM.
>
Wow. I think I may need to have my geek card revoked :-)

It completely slipped my mind. I was also dealing with bringing back
other systems at another site after a weekend outage. Someone helpfully
disabled services like named on the main name server and ypserv on the
main NIS server. This made it quite difficult to get everything working
and what should have taken 45 minutes took 6 hours :-/

Regards,

-Roberto

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