New Bushite concept: the 'international figleaf force'

Amazing!

This morning I hear on the radio that Secretary Rice is in Beyrouth the express her concern for the Lebanese people. Keeping in mind such small trivial issues like this one http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20060721_us_sends_israel/ or the USA's opposition to an immediate ceasefire I am sure that the Lebanese people are deeply, deeply touched by her concern.

But even more amazing is the New Grand Idea (or NGI) of the Bush Administration. This NGI revolves around the following concepts:

1) Hezbollah must be disarmed according to the UN resolution 1559.
2) The Lebanese Army would take over the control of south Lebanon.
3) An international force, possibly NATO, would deploy along the Lebanese-Israeli border.
4) Syria and Iran would be firmly told to reign in Hezbollah
5) The captive Israeli soldiers would have to be unconditionally released

Looking at these five points, I cannot decide which is the most idiotic. Let's look at them one by one.

1) Disarming Hezbollah. Well, guess what? Hezbollah does not want to disarm. Not only does it not want to disarm, but there is NOBODY out there who could force it to disarm (see point #2).
2) Send it the Lebanese Army. Yes, that is tehe very same army which Israel has been bombing over the past two weeks, it is the same army which is compsed of about 50% Shia and the same army which promised to fight alongside Hezbollah should Israel invade south Lebanon. Makes you wonder what they are smoking (and inhaling) in the White House nowadays...
3) Send in NATO or some other type of force. Not to monitor peace (UNIFIL has been uselessly there for years already) but to forcibly disarm Hezbollah. Sure, an alliance of, say, Poland, Sri Lanka and Belgium would go in there and do what the 'almight and invinvible Tsahal' (i.e.: the IDF) did not succeed in doing in TWO DECADES of bloody occupation.
4) Pressure Iran and Syria. OF course, these 'axis of evil' countries which are constantly threatened of war, agression and/or sanctions just would *love* to rescue the USA and Israel of their predicament (the IDF's air war is a total failure: http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/06/front2453938.0986111113.html)
5) Release the captured Israeli soliders. In his recent interview, Nasrallah clearly stated that he would not simply let then go without an exchange of prisoners:

Q: Do you still insist on the principle of swapping?

A: Certainly, this is an issue that we cannot tolerate. In fact, if the civilians who were martyred, the displaced who are suffering now the effects of displacement, and the steadfast people know that it is possible for me to extradite or return these two soldiers without closing this file they will accuse me of treason. I will also accuse myself of treason. This is completely out of question. In the first day, I said that if the entire universe comes, it will not be able to take back the two Israeli soldiers except through indirect negotiation and exchange of prisoners.

Some are thinking that maybe the USA ought to intervene directly. Send in a Marine Expeditionary Brigade or something. I am certain that there is nothing, nothing at all which would please Hezbollah more than a US deployment there. This would finally give the possibility for Hezbollah to strike directly at Americans. Alas (for Hezbollah at least) such an option is not realistic either. First, the US army will not try its hands at something the Israelis failed at even though they tried for two decades. Second, the USA knows exactly what such an operation would entail: an immediate and massive attack on US forces in Iraq. We need to remember here that while the Iraqis are usually busy killing each other along sectarian/ethic lines, the Iraqi Parliament unanimously adopted a resolution in suppport of Hezbollah (http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/COL658558.htm). One SUNNI leader even said: "Support Hassan Nasrallah and stand by his side and you will be closer to the angels in heaven".

The US is now fighting the LITTLE guy on the Iraqi block: the Sunni. Should the Shia suddely join the anti-US attacks it would be a disaster of a huge, much more bloody, magnitude (this is why the Brits have already worked out emergency evacuation plans for their forces in Iraq: they know how stupid and deluded Bush & Co. are).

So where does all this leave us?

The clear conclusion is that Israel has already lost the war, none of the objectives it has officially given itself can be achieved (even killing Nasrallah would be not only useless, but counterproductive as he is, as those who need to know in Israel and Washington do know, a moderate. Kissling Shiekh Mussawi taught everybody a good lesson, even if it is one nobody is willing to admit to) and that the ONLY purpose of any Lebanese or international force in south Lebanon will be to provide it with a fig leaf to conceal its total defeat.

This force will enter Lebanon 100% on Hezbollah's terms and will in no way antagonize Hezbollah or even affect its capabilities or actions. In fact, it could be argued that it will serve as some type of shield for Hezbollah not only in the south, but everwhere else (there are two Hezbollah ministers in the currect government). The Israelis will fully understand this, but they will shut up because they need this fig leaf more than anybody else. And, of course, there will be no US troops on tehe ground either.

What will be the next NGI coming up after this one? My bet is that the USA will 'play the Sunni card' and side with its current arch-enemies (and former arch-pals), the Sunni, to try to 'play' then against the percieved (and very real) 'Shia crescent of power' in the Middle East. Back to square one: the situation during the Iran-Iraq war and the USSR-CIA war in Afghanistan.

Will a new, possibly Democratic, administration in the White House, do better? Absolutely not. These policies are not the product of one ape-like cowboy idiot, but the result of the self-worshipping hubris of an entire political elite in Washington. No, there is only one way all this will change: the hard way.

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Picking sides.

Vees,
If the Hezbollah and the other fanatical muslims win, you lose unless you want to give up your religion. Even if you convert, there is no guarantee the terrorist nations will let you live. After all, you live in the land of the Great Satan.
When picking a side in this World War, please choose wisely. Your life and freedom depends on it.
There are no blogs in Iran that let's one curse the religious leaders. You might remember that the next time you practice the freedom of speech guaranteed in the United States Constitution.
One doesn't need to be a citizen to speak up, does one?
jaclon

analyzing!=taking sides

My point is EXACTLY not to pick sides and mindlessly cheer for either side because one is 'better' than the other. That would be replicating what the corporate media already does and for which I have no respect whatsoever.

My point was precisely to look at REALITY rather than PROPAGANDA. Now, there is no doubt that my personal analysis makes the US foreign policy look phenomenally stupid and the Israeli policies like a total failure. But that is a conclusion based on what I believe the facts on the ground are, not because I am, or not, American, not because the US Constitution is better, or not, then the Iranian one, or because the Republican Party's political agenda is better, or not, than Hezbollah's.

Either I am correct in my understanding of the facts, and then your comment is one big non-sequitur, or I am wrong, in which case, well, your comment is still a total non-sequitur.

Time will show whether my analysis was correct or not. I posted it here simply to react to what I perceived was a totally delusional 'solution' set forth by the US and accepted as serious without any critical thinking by the corporate media.

Being neither Arab nor Jewish, nor Muslim or American and having no connection with the Middle-East other than my personal interest for the region and personaly sympathy for its people, I do not have to 'side' with anyone in this conflict (other than 'siding' with the principles of logic and decency).

VS

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Re: Picking sides.

If the Hezbollah and the other fanatical muslims win, you lose unless you want to give up your religion.

Let's be serious; what are they going to do, build a Navy "real quick" and come over and invade?

Two points:

(1) The Koran forbids forced conversions to Islam. All throughout history the Muslims have preferred using more subtle pressure (e.g. taxes) to convert people.

(2) Even if you find some Muslim cleric talking about forced conversions today, it's blather. It's no more different than the so-called Christian[sic] religious nuts on US TV.

After all, you live in the land of the Great Satan.

Let's be accurate. Who calls the US that? That phrase originated in, and is primarily used in, Iran.

Why would the Iranians call the US that?

  • Could it be because the US overthrew a democratically Iranian gov't in the 1950s? And then...
  • The US placed into power a puppet dictator -- the Shah of Iran. And then...
  • The US rigged oil contracts in which the wealth of Iran was largely sent to the US -- the whole reason for the US overthrowing the democratic gov't and putting its dictator into power. And then...
  • The CIA trained the dictator's secret police (the Savak). Those police viciously suppressed the Iranian people. They not only attacked Iranian culture and religion, but they tortured and murdered countless people. And of course...
  • The US puppet dictator spent what oil money Iran did get on US weapons -- he needed them to "show his strength" and to keep the Iranian people suppressed.

    Is it any wonder that many Iranians hate the US?! We earned their hatred!

    Should we be surprised that when the Iranian people finally overthrew the US puppet that the people backlashed and put in a religious gov't? Perhaps if the US' puppet dictator had not so ruthlessly suppressed Islam that the Iranian people would not have felt the need for a backlash.

    But any way you look at it, from the Iranian people's point of view, calling the US the "Great Satan" might be overstated, but it is entirely justified.

  • "Let's be serious; what are

    "Let's be serious; what are they going to do, build a Navy "real quick" and come over and invade?"
    Not sure but aren't there already 6 million Muslims here? Isn't there Hezbollah cells in America? How did they get here? Couldn't they help?

    "Two points:

    (1) The Koran forbids forced conversions to Islam. All throughout history the Muslims have preferred using more subtle pressure (e.g. taxes) to convert people.

    (2) Even if you find some Muslim cleric talking about forced conversions today, it's blather. It's no more different than the so-called Christian[sic] religious nuts on US TV."
    Which of the many Koran's are you reading? It doesn't appear to be bin Laden's.

    "Why would the Iranians call the US that?

    # Could it be because the US overthrew a democratically Iranian gov't in the 1950s? And then...
    # The US placed into power a puppet dictator -- the Shah of Iran. And then...
    # The US rigged oil contracts in which the wealth of Iran was largely sent to the US -- the whole reason for the US overthrowing the democratic gov't and putting its dictator into power. And then...
    # The US trained the dictator's secret police (the Savak). Those police viciously suppressed the Iranian people. They not only attacked Iranian culture and religion, but they tortured and murdered countless people. And of course...
    # The US puppet dictator spent what oil money Iran did get on US weapons -- he needed them to "show his strength" and to keep the Iranian people suppressed.

    Is it any wonder that many Iranians hate the US?! We earned their hatred!"
    The Iranian Ayatollahs used the Shah's methods to seize Iran and subjugate it's people. Are you concerned with the 40% that live in poverty? What about the lack of freedom for the women? Isn't it terrible that they can't converse as we do and present our views on the governments of the world?
    Is anyone happy with the treatment of the Iranian people?

    non-sequiturs are tedious

    Non-sequitur and non-sequitur and even more non-sequiturs. This becoming tedious.

    Besides, you clearly do have not even have the *vaguest* notion of what Iranian society is really like since all you do is parroting FOX-TV like cliches (I won't even bother going into this here - it would take too much of my time and, even worse, be useless).

    From now on will ignore any further such non-sequitur posts.

    VS

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    Non Sequitur

    Vees,
    I didn't know what this big fancy word meant but I did look it up. You might want to check your spelling.

    Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
    non sequitur
    One entry found for non sequitur.
    Main Entry: non se·qui·tur
    Pronunciation: 'nän-'se-kw&-t&r also -"tur
    Function: noun
    Etymology: Latin, it does not follow
    1 : an inference that does not follow from the premises; specifically : a fallacy resulting from a simple conversion of a universal affirmative proposition or from the transposition of a condition and its consequent
    2 : a statement (as a response) that does not follow logically from or is not clearly related to anything previously said

    Non sequitur (logic)
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    Non sequitur is Latin for "it does not follow." In formal logic, an argument is a non sequitur if the conclusion does not follow from the premise. It should be stressed that in a non sequitur, the conclusion can be either true or false, but the argument is a fallacy because the conclusion does not follow from the premise. All logical fallacies are actually just specific types of non sequiturs. The term has special applicability in law, having a formal legal definition.

    Here are two types of non sequiturs of traditional noteworthiness:

    1) Any argument that takes the following form is a non sequitur:

    1. If A is true, then B is true.
    2. B is stated to be true.
    3. Therefore, A must be true.

    Even if the premises and conclusion are all true (see 1.5), the conclusion is not a necessary consequence of the premises. This sort of non sequitur is also called affirming the consequent.

    1.5) An example of a non sequitur where the premises and conclusion are all true would be:

    1. If I am a human (A) then I am a mammal. (B)
    2. I am a mammal. (B)
    3. Therefore, I am a human. (A)

    While the conclusion may be true, it does not follow from the premisies. This argument is still a fallacy even if the conclusion is true. It is a non sequitur (note that it is the exact same argument form as in example 1 - the form is always a non sequitur).

    2) Another common non sequitur is this:

    1. If A then B. (e.g. If I am in Tokyo, I am in Japan.)
    2. Not A. (e.g. I am not in Tokyo.)
    3. Therefore, not B. (e.g. Therefore, I am not in Japan.)

    The speaker could be anywhere else in Japan. This sort of non sequitur is called denying the antecedent.

    (If either of the above examples had "If and only if A, then B" as their first premise, then they would be valid and non-fallacious but unsound.)

    Many other types of known non sequitur argument forms have been classified into many different types of logical fallacies. In everyday speech and reasoning, an example might be: "If my hair looks nice, all people will love me." However, there is no real connection between your hair and the love of all people. Advertising typically applies this kind of 'deduction'. Another example: "If I read a book it will rain."

    forced conversions to Islam

    To my knowledge, the only Islamic country which did force conversions was the Ottomans who, indeed, did that kind of things in the Balkans and, alas, with some 'success' in Bosnia and Albania. The Arabs *never* did that, although Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab al-Tamimi (usualy known as Wahab - the founder of the Wahabi/Salafi sect) did try to force the Shia to become Sunni (he considered them idolators). I would not be surprized if Abu al-Abbas Taqi al-Din Ahmad ibn Abd al-Salaam ibn Abdullah ibn Taymiya al-Harrani (usully know as Ibn Taymiya) would have written that forced conversions are ok.

    But that's about it. Compared to the record in this matter of the West in general and the Papacy in particular, this is a minute 'speck in the eye' of the Muslims compared to a forest of beams in the collective 'eye' of the West.

    Of course, nowadays Dubya's USA is trying hard, in a truly Borg-like fashion, to 'assimilate' the rest of the world and force it to become a McWorld.

    We shall see if 'resistance if futile' or not.

    VS

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