Jerusalem Religious Leaders' Statement on Christian Zionism

Hmm... nice name. Is this the religious lobby running the USA? They get their religion from televangelists who claim to be christian but believe that they must always be on the side of the Jews, destroy the arabs, deliver the land of milk and honey to the jews, and the jews will miraculously convert to their brand of christianity and fullfil all the biblical prophecies? See, we don't need a jewish lobby - we already have a loony lobby running the country. People like Ron Perleman are the least of your worries (and he's one fanatic zionist). Historically the zionists have been trouble - so much so that the Romans got fed up back around 70AD and banned all jews (not just zionists) from the empire.

As for Hezbollah - this is a problem when a terrorist organization is seen as the hero. But the actions of Israel certainly don't endear them to the Lebanese and Palestinians. What Lebanese with at least half a brain would blame Hezbollah for the murder of their neighbors and relatives? It was Israel that was bombing them, not the smaller terrorist group. 2 soldiers kidnapped (not even killed) and they murder thousands of Lebanese. And our monkey president approves of this because "Israel is fighting terrorism" - come on, let's all chant the new mantra! Stalin would be pleased to know that his tactics work well in a "democratic" society. Gee, Joe McCarthy did all sorts of nasty things to people just by calling them "communist", but this "terrorist" thing is so much better - it allows you to indulge in genocide but without all the nasty press that Hitler and Milosevic got.

Coming from the same person who did not know that Israel had been booted out from Lebanon by Hezbollah the first time (remember you asked me about that in a private email) I should not be suprized by your question now I suppose. Except that you are trying to mask Israel's strategic defeat by asking the question about who won not the war (which is what matters) but the individual battles. I already answered that here http://www.debianhelp.org/node/1276 and, specifically I wrote:

It is enough to remember the routing of the IDF forces around the village of Bint Jbeil or the fact that after THIRTY DAYS of bombing and fighting the IDF was unable to control the village of Maroun al-Ras from which, according to the IDF, the Hezbollah fighters which captured the two Israeli soldiers came. Maroun al-Ras is located ONE KILOMETER from the Israeli border. As in the case of Bint Jbeil, some IDF units did enter into Maroun al-Ras and the Israelis immediately declared that the village had been taken, only to find out that Hezbollah let them in and then attacked them (the same tactic was used by Chechen guerillas against the Russian forces in Grozny). As was confirmed by British reporters, the IDF never succeeded in taking control of either Maroun al-Ras ir Bint Jbeil. This is clearly a tactical defeat.

You should read the Israeli press more often. You would have no doubt as to who lost and who won and who is trying hard to sneak away from various commissions of inquiery and who is basking in a national consensus of support.

Nasrallah said that if he had know of the magnitude of Israel's retaliatory attack he would not have seized the IDF soldiers. Why? Because the IDF killed over 1300 people a full THIRD of which were children. He - UNLIKE THE OLMERT ADMINISTRATION - does not think that an operation aimed at securing the release of hostages is worth the blood of 400+ kids. And he is honest enough to say that openly.

But does that mean that the IDF defeated Hezbollah? Nope - it only means that the IDF can kill 1300 people.

Nope. Since the sinking the Israeli Navy's flagship Sa'ar 5 ship, the Navy is now safely out of reach of Hezbollah and so are the Israeli planes high up in the sky. But will this blockade achieve ANYTYHING? Nobody with just 1% of understanding of military matters belives so (a country cannot be really blockaded by air and sea only. While such a bockade will stop the economy, it will not prevent weapons from coming through). The sole purpose of that is to make the Lebanese people pay for they support for Hezbollah by taking an ENTIRE NATION hostage. So if you call that a 'victory' you are both an idiot and a person without a conscience.

You have already asked this, and I already answered that here: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/1142. Specifically I wrote:

Being neither Arab nor Jewish, nor Muslim or American and having no connection with the Middle-East other than my personal interest for the region and personaly sympathy for its people, I do not have to 'side' with anyone in this conflict (other than 'siding' with the principles of logic and decency).

Logic tells me that Israel was totally, utterly defeated (just remember the grandiose goals Olmert set for his war). And, more importantly, *deceny* tells me that Israel is a Uber-terrorist racist state which deserves to be denounced along the Zionist ideology it is based upon. This is the only reason why I post here.

As for me being a "sleeper", this is both a totally dishonest thing to ask me since you well know that not only I have no connection to Hezbollah, but you even know from our private emails that I studied and worked along with some of USA's most elite soliders (including senoir officers of Detachment Delta). It is also a reflection of a sick MacCarthian mindset to 'expose' or suspect people of being 'agents' of some nefarious enemy rather than accept that they express their ideas according to the First Amendement of the Constitution. Lastly, such insinuationa are outright dangerous at a time of the fascist big-brother kind of regime which runs the country in Washington and which has thousands of bored employees looking for some 'enemy' to find somewhere, including the Internet.

Jaclon - your total intellectual dishonesty confirms to me that I want nothing more to do with you either here on debianhelp or in my mailbox. It is probably futile to ask you to ignore my future posts on debianhelp and not to send me any more private emails. However, I assure you than none of them will ever be answered again.

I hope that you will one day you trade the blue pill for the red one. Good luck,

VS

PS: Ayman al-Zawahiri is a SUNNI (of the Salafi/Wahabi kind). He *hates* Hezbollah which is SHIA. Like your President you persist in trying hard not to understand anything about the Middle-East and, like him, you make yourself a fool in the eyes of all those who try to learn about something *before* making grandiose statement.