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any recomendedations of documentation for half a dozen services.
On (20/02/07 01:09), Karl Goetz wrote:
> hi all
> i'm about to deploy a network which will be using debian servers on its
> backend (etch, hopefully) and about a hundred gnu/linux desktops.
>
> I'll be setting up a bunch of services, and was hoping people could
> recommend specific help they used to go with the huge quantity of
> goodness-knows-what-quality doco on the internet.
>
> cifs/smb
> nfs
> dhcp
> dns
> cups
> avahi
> exim4
> apache
> " ssl
I put up some notes with references for some of this stuff:
http://clivemenzies.co.uk/help/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=8&id=33&Itemid=58
For cups checkout:
http://excess.org/docs/linux_windows_printing.html
Don't use nfs/avahi
Apache works pretty much out of the box
Other than that I tend to check out the README.Debian docs after
installation
Regards
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Clive Menzies wrote:
> On (20/02/07 01:09), Karl Goetz wrote:
>> hi all
>> i'm about to deploy a network which will be using debian servers on its
>> backend (etch, hopefully) and about a hundred gnu/linux desktops.
>
> I put up some notes with references for some of this stuff:
> http://clivemenzies.co.uk/help/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=8&id=33&Itemid=58
This url seems to be timing out for me.
>
> For cups checkout:
> http://excess.org/docs/linux_windows_printing.html
>
> Don't use nfs/avahi
dont use nfs because its got security problems? i'm not keen on avahi
myself, but i was asked to be familar with it.
>
> Apache works pretty much out of the box
>
> Other than that I tend to check out the README.Debian docs after
> installation
I'll pull these files out of the packages and have a look, thanks.
>
> Regards
>
> Clive
>
thanks for replying,
kk
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Australian Ubuntu users team - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam
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On (21/02/07 23:39), Karl Goetz wrote:
> > http://clivemenzies.co.uk/help/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=8&id=33&Itemid=58
>
> This url seems to be timing out for me.
Working here OK. Try http://clivemenzies.co.uk go to Self Help > File
server
Regards
Clive
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On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 01:09:32AM +1030, Karl Goetz wrote:
> hi all
> i'm about to deploy a network which will be using debian servers on its
> backend (etch, hopefully) and about a hundred gnu/linux desktops.
>
> I'll be setting up a bunch of services, and was hoping people could
> recommend specific help they used to go with the huge quantity of
> goodness-knows-what-quality doco on the internet.
>
> cifs/smb
The Samba documentation is adequate. There is also a Samba HOWTO at
TLDP.org.
> nfs
Uggh. Do you really need NFS? If you have kerberos, something like AFS
might be a better choice. If you have to have NFS, then it really
depends on how you plan to use it.
> dhcp
The documentation included in the dhcp3-server package is just fine.
DHCP is relatively simple to setup.
> dns
There is this article that I really like:
http://www.madboa.com/geek/soho-bind/
If you have never setup BIND before, it is a good place to get started,
even if you plan for your installation to be lots bigger than the one
described.
> cups
What do you want to do with CUPS? Do you need print job accounting? Do
you need authentication to print? Lots more infomation is needed to
give you a good pointer to the right docs.
> avahi
Not familiar with this.
> exim4
Personally, I would recommend Postfix instead. If you choose Postfix,
there is tons of good documentation on the Postfix website.
> apache
> " ssl
>
Apache is one of the best documented open source/free software projects.
Of course, without knowing how you intend to use it, it is hard to give
anything more specific than that.
> Hope you can give me some advice!
>
If you can provide some more details, you will get better advice.
Regards,
-Roberto
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On (19/02/07 10:18), Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> > exim4
>
> Personally, I would recommend Postfix instead. If you choose Postfix,
> there is tons of good documentation on the Postfix website.
Hi Roberto
I've always used exim since using debian, primarily because it is the
default. Why would you recommend postfix? I've looked at it
occasionally and I've done a few Ubuntu installs including on my
workstation. However, I've felt reluctant to use it on servers on the
basis of 'the devil you know'.
When I first started using exim it was pretty bewildering and I bought
the book in the belief that it is useful to know the default Debian MTA.
Is there any likelihood that Postfix becomes the default?
Regards
Clive
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On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 03:42:31PM +0000, Clive Menzies wrote:
>
> I've always used exim since using debian, primarily because it is the
> default. Why would you recommend postfix? I've looked at it
> occasionally and I've done a few Ubuntu installs including on my
> workstation. However, I've felt reluctant to use it on servers on the
> basis of 'the devil you know'.
>
I guess I would recommend Postfix because it is what I know :-)
I have found that for some of the things I wanted to do, the
documentation for Postfix was better.
> When I first started using exim it was pretty bewildering and I bought
> the book in the belief that it is useful to know the default Debian MTA.
> Is there any likelihood that Postfix becomes the default?
>
I don't think that it will change. Like many other things, the default
MTA is a matter of opinion and lots of people like Exim. Personally,
I'd like to see the default change, but I don't think it makes that much
of a difference in the long run as you can always change it.
Regards,
-Roberto
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Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 03:42:31PM +0000, Clive Menzies wrote:
>> I've always used exim since using debian, primarily because it is the
>> default. Why would you recommend postfix? I've looked at it
>> occasionally and I've done a few Ubuntu installs including on my
>> workstation. However, I've felt reluctant to use it on servers on the
>> basis of 'the devil you know'.
>>
> I guess I would recommend Postfix because it is what I know :-)
>
> I have found that for some of the things I wanted to do, the
> documentation for Postfix was better.
>
>> When I first started using exim it was pretty bewildering and I bought
>> the book in the belief that it is useful to know the default Debian MTA.
>> Is there any likelihood that Postfix becomes the default?
>>
> I don't think that it will change. Like many other things, the default
> MTA is a matter of opinion and lots of people like Exim. Personally,
> I'd like to see the default change, but I don't think it makes that much
> of a difference in the long run as you can always change it.
>
No doubt this is due to my [...] but I still have to find how you use
exim4 for routing system messages *and* for sending mail to an internet
address. And I found the documentation that comes with it inadequate
[for me].
Hugo
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On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 11:05:40AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
>
> No doubt this is due to my [...] but I still have to find how you use
> exim4 for routing system messages *and* for sending mail to an internet
> address. And I found the documentation that comes with it inadequate
> [for me].
>
what do you mean by this? Are you trying to distinquish between local
mail and remote mail? You have to set up routers and transports for
the two types of mail. you define what is considered local
mail. everything that matches local goes to a local transport and
everything else goes to remote transport. I can verify this works (as
can you) by the fact that you are currently reading this email.
post up your problems so we can help
A
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Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 11:05:40AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
>> No doubt this is due to my [...] but I still have to find how you use
>> exim4 for routing system messages *and* for sending mail to an internet
>> address. And I found the documentation that comes with it inadequate
>> [for me].
>>
>
> what do you mean by this? Are you trying to distinquish between local
> mail and remote mail? You have to set up routers and transports for
> the two types of mail. you define what is considered local
> mail. everything that matches local goes to a local transport and
> everything else goes to remote transport. I can verify this works (as
> can you) by the fact that you are currently reading this email.
In gmane.linux.debian.user with Mozilla Thunderbird version 1.5.0.5
(20060719)?
Cf:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/11/msg03573.html
Hugo
>
> post up your problems so we can help
>
> A
>
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Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 01:09:32AM +1030, Karl Goetz wrote:
>> hi all
>> i'm about to deploy a network which will be using debian servers on its
>> backend (etch, hopefully) and about a hundred gnu/linux desktops.
>>
>>
>> cifs/smb
>
> The Samba documentation is adequate. There is also a Samba HOWTO at
> TLDP.org.
>
Do you mean the documentation in teh samba packages?
>> nfs
>
> Uggh. Do you really need NFS? If you have kerberos, something like AFS
> might be a better choice. If you have to have NFS, then it really
> depends on how you plan to use it.
Well at first we dont have to do any filesharing stuff, so i may not end
up using nfs/samba at all. we wont be doing any centralised logins
though, so i dont know if afs is an option(?)
>
>> dns
>
> There is this article that I really like:
> http://www.madboa.com/geek/soho-bind/
Thanks, this looks really good.
>
> If you have never setup BIND before, it is a good place to get started,
> even if you plan for your installation to be lots bigger than the one
> described.
>
>> cups
>
> What do you want to do with CUPS? Do you need print job accounting? Do
> you need authentication to print? Lots more infomation is needed to
> give you a good pointer to the right docs.
>
I need to be able to setup a cups print server for desktop pcs to
connect to. would the shipped docs cover this ok?
>
>> exim4
>
> Personally, I would recommend Postfix instead. If you choose Postfix,
> there is tons of good documentation on the Postfix website.
exim is what i was recommended by friends here.
>
>> apache
>> " ssl
>>
>
> Apache is one of the best documented open source/free software projects.
> Of course, without knowing how you intend to use it, it is hard to give
> anything more specific than that.
TBH i'm not entirely sure what its for. I'll have to go and ask.
>
>> Hope you can give me some advice!
>>
>
> If you can provide some more details, you will get better advice.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Roberto
>
Thanks for your comments,
kk
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Australian Ubuntu users team - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam
User of Debian, The Universal Operating System - http://www.debian.org
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On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:46:34PM +1030, Karl Goetz wrote:
> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> >
> > The Samba documentation is adequate. There is also a Samba HOWTO at
> > TLDP.org.
> >
>
> Do you mean the documentation in teh samba packages?
>
I think it is split out to a seperate package, but yes. That would
work.
> > Uggh. Do you really need NFS? If you have kerberos, something like AFS
> > might be a better choice. If you have to have NFS, then it really
> > depends on how you plan to use it.
>
> Well at first we dont have to do any filesharing stuff, so i may not end
> up using nfs/samba at all. we wont be doing any centralised logins
> though, so i dont know if afs is an option(?)
>
Probably not. AFS requires a working Kerberos infrastructure, which
essentially mandates a centralized login scheme. Though, once you go to
all the trouble, it is very handy. People can ssh all around without
even using passwords *or* keys, since kerberos tickets are passed
around.
> >
> > What do you want to do with CUPS? Do you need print job accounting? Do
> > you need authentication to print? Lots more infomation is needed to
> > give you a good pointer to the right docs.
> >
>
> I need to be able to setup a cups print server for desktop pcs to
> connect to. would the shipped docs cover this ok?
>
Yes.
> > Personally, I would recommend Postfix instead. If you choose Postfix,
> > there is tons of good documentation on the Postfix website.
>
> exim is what i was recommended by friends here.
>
OK. If you have folks to help you out with it. I think that the
documentation available online is much better and more diverse for
postfix. But if you have local experts, then you should be fine.
Regards,
-Roberto
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http://www.connexer.com
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Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:46:34PM +1030, Karl Goetz wrote:
>> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
>>> The Samba documentation is adequate. There is also a Samba HOWTO at
>>> TLDP.org.
>>>
>> Do you mean the documentation in teh samba packages?
>>
> I think it is split out to a seperate package, but yes. That would
> work.
Goodoh, I'll get the package then
>
>>> Uggh. Do you really need NFS? If you have kerberos, something like AFS
>>> might be a better choice. If you have to have NFS, then it really
>>> depends on how you plan to use it.
>> Well at first we dont have to do any filesharing stuff, so i may not end
>> up using nfs/samba at all. we wont be doing any centralised logins
>> though, so i dont know if afs is an option(?)
>>
> Probably not. AFS requires a working Kerberos infrastructure, which
> essentially mandates a centralized login scheme. Though, once you go to
> all the trouble, it is very handy. People can ssh all around without
> even using passwords *or* keys, since kerberos tickets are passed
> around.
>
That wont be an option then, as the network isnt stable enough to handle
centralised logins (or filesharing probably, but thats not always optional).
>>> What do you want to do with CUPS? Do you need print job accounting? Do
>>> you need authentication to print? Lots more infomation is needed to
>>> give you a good pointer to the right docs.
>>>
>> I need to be able to setup a cups print server for desktop pcs to
>> connect to. would the shipped docs cover this ok?
>>
> Yes.
Thanks,
kk
>
>>> Personally, I would recommend Postfix instead. If you choose Postfix,
>>> there is tons of good documentation on the Postfix website.
>> exim is what i was recommended by friends here.
>>
> OK. If you have folks to help you out with it. I think that the
> documentation available online is much better and more diverse for
> postfix. But if you have local experts, then you should be fine.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Roberto
>
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Australian Ubuntu users team - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam
User of Debian, The Universal Operating System - http://www.debian.org
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On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 01:09:32AM +1030, Karl Goetz wrote:
> hi all
> i'm about to deploy a network which will be using debian servers on its
> backend (etch, hopefully) and about a hundred gnu/linux desktops.
>
> I'll be setting up a bunch of services, and was hoping people could
> recommend specific help they used to go with the huge quantity of
> goodness-knows-what-quality doco on the internet.
Not bad:
http://aboutdebian.com/network.htm
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Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 01:09:32AM +1030, Karl Goetz wrote:
>> hi all
>> i'm about to deploy a network which will be using debian servers on its
>> backend (etch, hopefully) and about a hundred gnu/linux desktops.
>>
>> I'll be setting up a bunch of services, and was hoping people could
>> recommend specific help they used to go with the huge quantity of
>> goodness-knows-what-quality doco on the internet.
>
> Not bad:
> http://aboutdebian.com/network.htm
>
>
looks interesting... checking it out now.
kk
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Australian Ubuntu users team - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam
User of Debian, The Universal Operating System - http://www.debian.org
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Am 2007-02-20 01:09:32, schrieb Karl Goetz:
> I'll be setting up a bunch of services, and was hoping people could
> recommend specific help they used to go with the huge quantity of
> goodness-knows-what-quality doco on the internet.
cifs/smb =>
nfs
dhcp =>
dns =>
cups
avahi
exim4 =>
apache =>
" ssl =>
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