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Firefox/Iceweasel's weird close/quit behaviour
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KS wrote:
> Long time ago Firefox used to behave like a normal Linux application
> with regards to keyboard shortcuts to close/quit the application.
> However, somewhere during the 1.5.x release or with 2.0, the Ctrl+Q does
> not do anything. Ctrl+W closes one tab at a time only and Ctrl+Shift+W
> quits the application (with more than 1 tabs open also).
>
> Why is it that it does not follow the *normal* keyboard shortcut of
> Ctrl+Q for quitting the application? All the applications that I used
> with either KDE or GNOME have Ctrl+Q as the shortcut to quit
> application. Am I missing something while expecting that Firefox should
> also behave like the others on Linux at least?
You have to consider that Firefox's main target is Windows, not Linux.
Actually, according to the mozilla documentation, they specifically
write code that is portable, and even has guidelines on how to do it.
That being said, the program is different, only in slight ways between a
Windows version and a Unix version. You can press ctrl-w to close a
window (current tab). Pressing the same key when only one window is
open will exit the program.
Koqueror, the all-in-one file manager and browser, on the the other hand
follows the same rule to close the windows, however ctrl-w will not
close the program, nor will ctrl-q. Sadly to say, you're going to have
to get used to new shortkuts, or you can download the source code and
change the shortcuts and recompile.
Alt-F4 (the Windows shortcut for closing a program) works on both.
Joe
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Joe Hart wrote:
> KS wrote:
>> Long time ago Firefox used to behave like a normal Linux application
>> with regards to keyboard shortcuts to close/quit the application.
>> However, somewhere during the 1.5.x release or with 2.0, the Ctrl+Q does
>> not do anything. Ctrl+W closes one tab at a time only and Ctrl+Shift+W
>> quits the application (with more than 1 tabs open also).
>
>> Why is it that it does not follow the *normal* keyboard shortcut of
>> Ctrl+Q for quitting the application? All the applications that I used
>> with either KDE or GNOME have Ctrl+Q as the shortcut to quit
>> application. Am I missing something while expecting that Firefox should
>> also behave like the others on Linux at least?
>
> You have to consider that Firefox's main target is Windows, not Linux.
> Actually, according to the mozilla documentation, they specifically
> write code that is portable, and even has guidelines on how to do it.
>
> That being said, the program is different, only in slight ways between a
> Windows version and a Unix version. You can press ctrl-w to close a
> window (current tab). Pressing the same key when only one window is
> open will exit the program.
>
> Koqueror, the all-in-one file manager and browser, on the the other hand
> follows the same rule to close the windows, however ctrl-w will not
> close the program, nor will ctrl-q. Sadly to say, you're going to have
> to get used to new shortkuts, or you can download the source code and
> change the shortcuts and recompile.
>
> Alt-F4 (the Windows shortcut for closing a program) works on both.
>
> Joe
Even the not-open source Opera uses the usual shortcuts.
I agree that Firefox's main target is Windows but still if they can give
Linux builds the Preferences menu under Edit as opposed to Tools >
Preferences under Windose, Ctrl+Q shouldn't be that big a change for
their auto build system.
/KS
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> You have to consider that Firefox's main target is Windows, not Linux.
> Actually, according to the mozilla documentation, they specifically
> write code that is portable, and even has guidelines on how to do it.
>
> That being said, the program is different, only in slight ways between a
> Windows version and a Unix version. You can press ctrl-w to close a
> window (current tab). Pressing the same key when only one window is
> open will exit the program.
Well, but i see one difference - the orientation of "Restore Session"
buttons on Win/Linux is opposite.. i get crazy all the time, because
i'm switching OSes quite often.. So i guess, shortcuts should be
preserved, and they should be equal everywhere.. even if it doesn't
comply with other programs.. well - you get to used to program you use
most often, and it doesn't really matter what OS you use..
Regards,
Atis
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:45:57 +0100, Joe wrote in message
<45DAA735.8050200@orange.nl>:
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> KS wrote:
> > Long time ago Firefox used to behave like a normal Linux application
> > with regards to keyboard shortcuts to close/quit the application.
> > However, somewhere during the 1.5.x release or with 2.0, the Ctrl+Q
> > does not do anything. Ctrl+W closes one tab at a time only and
> > Ctrl+Shift+W quits the application (with more than 1 tabs open
> > also).
> >
> > Why is it that it does not follow the *normal* keyboard shortcut of
> > Ctrl+Q for quitting the application? All the applications that I
> > used with either KDE or GNOME have Ctrl+Q as the shortcut to quit
> > application. Am I missing something while expecting that Firefox
> > should also behave like the others on Linux at least?
>
> You have to consider that Firefox's main target is Windows, not Linux.
> Actually, according to the mozilla documentation, they specifically
> write code that is portable, and even has guidelines on how to do it.
>
> That being said, the program is different, only in slight ways between
> a Windows version and a Unix version. You can press ctrl-w to close a
> window (current tab). Pressing the same key when only one window is
> open will exit the program.
>
> Koqueror, the all-in-one file manager and browser, on the the other
> hand follows the same rule to close the windows, however ctrl-w will
> not close the program, nor will ctrl-q. Sadly to say, you're going to
..huh??? Both c-w and C-q works for me, both in kde and fluxbox, on
both Iceweasel and Konqueror.
..now if the konq crew could use c-t rather than shift-ctrl-n for a new
tab...
> have to get used to new shortkuts, or you can download the source code
> and change the shortcuts and recompile.
>
> Alt-F4 (the Windows shortcut for closing a program) works on both.
..and in kde but not in fluxbox, it'll take you to the 4'th pane.
--
..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o)
...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
Scenarios always come in sets of three:
best case, worst case, and just in case.
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Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:45:57 +0100, Joe wrote in message
>
>> Koqueror, the all-in-one file manager and browser, on the the other
>> hand follows the same rule to close the windows, however ctrl-w will
>> not close the program, nor will ctrl-q. Sadly to say, you're going to
>
> ..huh??? Both c-w and C-q works for me, both in kde and fluxbox, on
> both Iceweasel and Konqueror.
Perhaps you're running Sarge. If you've you're running Etch or newer,
you're in for a surprise. Konqueror 3.5.5 does not close that way.
> ..now if the konq crew could use c-t rather than shift-ctrl-n for a new
> tab...
But it ctrl-t does open a new tab :)
I use a konqueror most of the time, but occasionally use iceweasel.
Funny how sometimes pages look different in the two. I imagine if I
used other browsers I might see even different formatting (sometimes
completely different pages).
>
>> Alt-F4 (the Windows shortcut for closing a program) works on both.
>
> ..and in kde but not in fluxbox, it'll take you to the 4'th pane.
>
Interesting. I use KDE, hence the Konqueror. Even if I used Gnome I
would probably use Konqueror because I prefer it to every other file
manager I have seen, but I am sure there are plenty that I have never
seen. That's one of the downsides to being a newbie. There are
thousands of programs that you've never heard of. One can learn only so
fast.
Joe
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:55:54 +0100, Joe wrote in message
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> Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:45:57 +0100, Joe wrote in message
> >
> >> Koqueror, the all-in-one file manager and browser, on the the other
> >> hand follows the same rule to close the windows, however ctrl-w
> >will > not close the program, nor will ctrl-q. Sadly to say, you're
> >going to
> >
> > ..huh??? Both c-w and C-q works for me, both in kde and fluxbox, on
> > both Iceweasel and Konqueror.
>
> Perhaps you're running Sarge. If you've you're running Etch or newer,
> you're in for a surprise. Konqueror 3.5.5 does not close that way.
..it does on my Sid boxes.
> > ..now if the konq crew could use c-t rather than shift-ctrl-n for a
> > new tab...
>
> But it ctrl-t does open a new tab :)
..not here. ;o)
..could it be my setup overriding standard konqueror-3.5.5 setup?
Been using kde since 2.2.2, and konueror since 3.0, AFAICR.
> I use a konqueror most of the time, but occasionally use iceweasel.
> Funny how sometimes pages look different in the two. I imagine if I
> used other browsers I might see even different formatting (sometimes
> completely different pages).
> >
> >> Alt-F4 (the Windows shortcut for closing a program) works on both.
> >
> > ..and in kde but not in fluxbox, it'll take you to the 4'th pane.
> >
> Interesting. I use KDE, hence the Konqueror. Even if I used Gnome I
> would probably use Konqueror because I prefer it to every other file
> manager I have seen, but I am sure there are plenty that I have never
> seen. That's one of the downsides to being a newbie. There are
> thousands of programs that you've never heard of. One can learn only
> so fast.
>
> Joe
..we're all newbies at at least some part of life. ;o)
--
..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o)
...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
Scenarios always come in sets of three:
best case, worst case, and just in case.
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Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>>> ..huh??? Both c-w and C-q works for me, both in kde and fluxbox, on
>>> both Iceweasel and Konqueror.
>> Perhaps you're running Sarge. If you've you're running Etch or newer,
>> you're in for a surprise. Konqueror 3.5.5 does not close that way.
>
> ..it does on my Sid boxes.
>
>>> ..now if the konq crew could use c-t rather than shift-ctrl-n for a
>>> new tab...
>> But it ctrl-t does open a new tab :)
>
> ..not here. ;o)
Very Strange.
> ..could it be my setup overriding standard konqueror-3.5.5 setup?
> Been using kde since 2.2.2, and konueror since 3.0, AFAICR.
>
I would say most likely, because this system is a standard install, no
customization (to at least konqueror).
> ..we're all newbies at at least some part of life. ;o)
Tell me about it. It took me about an hour to figure out how to get rid
of the override of KDM so I could change the theme. Thankfully, when I
tried to do it, a message popped up telling me about the override, and
referred me to a file (would have been better if it was a link).
Reading that file was a bit confusing. I finally figured out that I
needed to remove a line in /etc/default/kdm.d/10_desktop-base, or just
rm the file. The more times I encounter things like that, the more I
learn. I don't quite understand why an override is needed and the theme
can't be set in kdmrc, but that's beside the point.
One of the things that draws me to KDE is the fact that _almost_
everything is configurable (I can't change the foreground text color on
the items in the taskbar :( ). Oh well.
I have to agree with the OP that the apps should use the standard
shortcuts. It's taken me a while to get used to ctrl-q because of
certain programs like Amarok that will go to the system tray if you try
to close them by clicking the close window button (usually an X). There
are a few others that do the same.
At least we can download the source code and change it if it really bugs us.
Joe
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On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:53:06 +0100, Joe wrote in message
<45DC8702.609@orange.nl>:
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> Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>
> >>> ..huh??? Both c-w and C-q works for me, both in kde and fluxbox,
> >on >> both Iceweasel and Konqueror.
> >> Perhaps you're running Sarge. If you've you're running Etch or
> >newer, > you're in for a surprise. Konqueror 3.5.5 does not close
> >that way.
> >
> > ..it does on my Sid boxes.
> >
> >>> ..now if the konq crew could use c-t rather than shift-ctrl-n for
> >a >> new tab...
> >> But it ctrl-t does open a new tab :)
> >
> > ..not here. ;o)
>
> Very Strange.
..just got less strange: I actually tried it instead of just read the
menu flaps. ;o)
> > ..could it be my setup overriding standard konqueror-3.5.5 setup?
> > Been using kde since 2.2.2, and konueror since 3.0, AFAICR.
> >
>
> I would say most likely, because this system is a standard install, no
> customization (to at least konqueror).
>
> > ..we're all newbies at at least some part of life. ;o)
>
> Tell me about it. It took me about an hour to figure out how to get
> rid of the override of KDM so I could change the theme. Thankfully,
> when I tried to do it, a message popped up telling me about the
> override, and referred me to a file (would have been better if it was
> a link).
>
> Reading that file was a bit confusing. I finally figured out that I
> needed to remove a line in /etc/default/kdm.d/10_desktop-base, or just
> rm the file. The more times I encounter things like that, the more I
> learn. I don't quite understand why an override is needed and the
> theme can't be set in kdmrc, but that's beside the point.
>
> One of the things that draws me to KDE is the fact that _almost_
> everything is configurable (I can't change the foreground text color
> on the items in the taskbar :( ). Oh well.
>
> I have to agree with the OP that the apps should use the standard
> shortcuts. It's taken me a while to get used to ctrl-q because of
> certain programs like Amarok that will go to the system tray if you
> try to close them by clicking the close window button (usually an X).
> There are a few others that do the same.
>
> At least we can download the source code and change it if it really
> bugs us.
..well, there's always xkill. ;o)
--
..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o)
...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
Scenarios always come in sets of three:
best case, worst case, and just in case.
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On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 06:53:06PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote:
> One of the things that draws me to KDE is the fact that _almost_
> everything is configurable (I can't change the foreground text color on
> the items in the taskbar :( ). Oh well.
You will love fvwm where everything _is_ configurable[1]. At the moment
I have gold text on a blue background. A task bar is optional, but
unnecessary with FvwmButtons.
Do try it. :-)
[1] It's a bit of a learning curve, _but_ with power/versatility comes a
huge manpage :-)
--
Chris.
======
Don't forget to check that your /etc/apt/sources.lst entries point to
etch and not testing, otherwise you may end up with a broken system once
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Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 06:53:06PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote:
>> One of the things that draws me to KDE is the fact that _almost_
>> everything is configurable (I can't change the foreground text color on
>> the items in the taskbar :( ). Oh well.
>
> You will love fvwm where everything _is_ configurable[1]. At the moment
> I have gold text on a blue background. A task bar is optional, but
> unnecessary with FvwmButtons.
>
> Do try it. :-)
>
> [1] It's a bit of a learning curve, _but_ with power/versatility comes a
> huge manpage :-)
>
That's one (fvwm) that I haven't tried. Unless that's comes standard on
some distro's that I have tried. I'll look into it. Thanks for the tip.
Joe
P.S. Learning Curve? What's that? I've tacked the switch from Windows
to GNU/Linux, and using the CLI for most of my management instead of
doing things through a GUI. I also am now running Sid because Etch was
too stable for me to learn anything from. (If it ain't broke, I can't
fix it)
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Joe Hart wrote:
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> Chris Bannister wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 06:53:06PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote:
>>> One of the things that draws me to KDE is the fact that _almost_
>>> everything is configurable (I can't change the foreground text color on
>>> the items in the taskbar :( ). Oh well.
>> You will love fvwm where everything _is_ configurable[1]. At the moment
>> I have gold text on a blue background. A task bar is optional, but
>> unnecessary with FvwmButtons.
>>
>> Do try it. :-)
>>
>> [1] It's a bit of a learning curve, _but_ with power/versatility comes a
>> huge manpage :-)
>>
I am a fvwm devotee. Absolutely everything is programmable through its
.conf file. I have used it for years. Wishes:
1. An app that would show all that fvwm *can* do. Since I have been
using the same conf file for years, how do you find what might be
possible. Reading that man page is not possible for ordinary humans.
>
> That's one (fvwm) that I haven't tried. Unless that's comes standard on
> some distro's that I have tried. I'll look into it. Thanks for the tip.
>
> Joe
>
> P.S. Learning Curve? What's that? I've tacked the switch from Windows
> to GNU/Linux, and using the CLI for most of my management instead of
> doing things through a GUI. I also am now running Sid because Etch was
> too stable for me to learn anything from. (If it ain't broke, I can't
> fix it)
[OT] Booting linux-image-2.6.18 with a USB disk attached is broke. Would
love to fix *that*.
>
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Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Joe Hart wrote:
> Chris Bannister wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 06:53:06PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote:
>>>>> One of the things that draws me to KDE is the fact that _almost_
>>>>> everything is configurable (I can't change the foreground text color on
>>>>> the items in the taskbar :( ). Oh well.
>>>> You will love fvwm where everything _is_ configurable[1]. At the
>>>> moment I have gold text on a blue background. A task bar is optional,
>>>> but
>>>> unnecessary with FvwmButtons.
>>>> Do try it. :-)
>>>>
>>>> [1] It's a bit of a learning curve, _but_ with power/versatility comes a
>>>> huge manpage :-)
>>>>
>
>> I am a fvwm devotee. Absolutely everything is programmable through its
>> .conf file. I have used it for years. Wishes:
>
>> 1. An app that would show all that fvwm *can* do. Since I have been
>> using the same conf file for years, how do you find what might be
>> possible. Reading that man page is not possible for ordinary humans.
>
>
>
> That's one (fvwm) that I haven't tried. Unless that's comes standard on
> some distro's that I have tried. I'll look into it. Thanks for the tip.
>
> Joe
>
> P.S. Learning Curve? What's that? I've tacked the switch from Windows
> to GNU/Linux, and using the CLI for most of my management instead of
> doing things through a GUI. I also am now running Sid because Etch was
> too stable for me to learn anything from. (If it ain't broke, I can't
> fix it)
>
>
>> [OT] Booting linux-image-2.6.18 with a USB disk attached is broke. Would
>> love to fix *that*.
>
>
I can't help you with your kernel problem, sorry.
I installed fvwm, and I'm running it in another session, I must say,
without messing with any configuration, it looks quite impressive. It
seems faster than kde, which is a no-brainer since KDE is so demanding
on the resources.
I really like when you move into a window it puts focus on the window
without bringing it to the front. That can be handy for some apps.
This definately bears more investigation. If it is as configurable as
that man page leads to believe (and I have no doubt that it lies), it
could lure a previously happy KDE user to it. My beloved Konqueror runs
on it with no trouble at all, and I imagine that my GTK+ apps will have
no problems.
One thing that struck me as odd was the location and behavior of the
system tray. For example, I loaded Amarok, which normally sits in the
tray. It appeared as a small button in the upper left corner and showed
in the taskbar. I clicked on the button, Amarok's playlist appeared as
it should, but _another_ task showed in the taskbar (called Amarok <2>)
I can understand this behavior, but I find it a bit odd.
Overall, it looks quite polished and will play around with it for a
while. I like the default colors, so I won't have to mess with those
for a while.
Joe
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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:12:27 +0100
Joe Hart wrote:
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> I installed fvwm, and I'm running it in another session, I must say,
> without messing with any configuration, it looks quite impressive. It
> seems faster than kde, which is a no-brainer since KDE is so demanding
> on the resources.
>
> I really like when you move into a window it puts focus on the window
> without bringing it to the front. That can be handy for some apps.
Linux WMs generally support multiple focus models. Xfwm, for example,
offers a choice between "click to focus" (MS Windows style focus) and
"focus follow mouse" which is what I think you're describing.
Celejar
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fvwm (was: Firefox/Iceweasel's weird close/quit behaviour)
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:42:35 -0500
Celejar wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:12:27 +0100
> Joe Hart wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > I installed fvwm, and I'm running it in another session, I must say,
> > without messing with any configuration, it looks quite impressive.
> > It seems faster than kde, which is a no-brainer since KDE is so
> > demanding on the resources.
> >
> > I really like when you move into a window it puts focus on the
> > window without bringing it to the front. That can be handy for
> > some apps.
>
> Linux WMs generally support multiple focus models. Xfwm, for example,
> offers a choice between "click to focus" (MS Windows style focus) and
> "focus follow mouse" which is what I think you're describing.
I think he is talking about raise-on-focus which is also configurable
in most (all?) window managers.
Regards,
Andrei
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fvwm (was: Firefox/Iceweasel's weird close/quit behaviour)
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:12:27PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote:
> I installed fvwm, and I'm running it in another session, I must say,
> without messing with any configuration, it looks quite impressive. It
> seems faster than kde, which is a no-brainer since KDE is so demanding
> on the resources.
Yep, hunting out apps which don't need KDE/Gnome which do the same job
can be a bit of a pain.
> I really like when you move into a window it puts focus on the window
> without bringing it to the front. That can be handy for some apps.
All configurable.
Have a look at your ~/.fvwm/.fvwmrc file.
Did you install fvwm-themes?
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fvwm (was: Firefox/Iceweasel's weird close/quit behaviour)
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 12:33:33AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:12:27PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote:
> > I installed fvwm, and I'm running it in another session, I must say,
> > without messing with any configuration, it looks quite impressive. It
> > seems faster than kde, which is a no-brainer since KDE is so demanding
> > on the resources.
>
> Yep, hunting out apps which don't need KDE/Gnome which do the same job
> can be a bit of a pain.
>
Does fvwn have KDE or GNOME support? I use WindowMaker and I *like*
the fact that does a good job of supporting and integrating KDE and
GNOME apps equally. Of course, Debian's modular package management
helps since I get only the libraries I *need* instead of all of KDE and
GNOME for one or two apps. It is still a few tens of MBs, but not
hundreds of MBs.
Regards,
-Roberto
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Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 12:33:33AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:12:27PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote:
>>> I installed fvwm, and I'm running it in another session, I must say,
>>> without messing with any configuration, it looks quite impressive. It
>>> seems faster than kde, which is a no-brainer since KDE is so demanding
>>> on the resources.
>> Yep, hunting out apps which don't need KDE/Gnome which do the same job
>> can be a bit of a pain.
>>
> Does fvwn have KDE or GNOME support? I use WindowMaker and I *like*
> the fact that does a good job of supporting and integrating KDE and
> GNOME apps equally. Of course, Debian's modular package management
> helps since I get only the libraries I *need* instead of all of KDE and
> GNOME for one or two apps. It is still a few tens of MBs, but not
> hundreds of MBs.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Roberto
>
It runs konqueror no problem at all. I _love_ konqueror and it's
abitity to fish:/
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fvwm
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 09:18:52AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 12:33:33AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:12:27PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote:
> > > I installed fvwm, and I'm running it in another session, I must say,
> > > without messing with any configuration, it looks quite impressive. It
> > > seems faster than kde, which is a no-brainer since KDE is so demanding
> > > on the resources.
> >
> > Yep, hunting out apps which don't need KDE/Gnome which do the same job
> > can be a bit of a pain.
> >
> Does fvwn have KDE or GNOME support? I use WindowMaker and I *like*
> the fact that does a good job of supporting and integrating KDE and
> GNOME apps equally. Of course, Debian's modular package management
> helps since I get only the libraries I *need* instead of all of KDE and
> GNOME for one or two apps. It is still a few tens of MBs, but not
> hundreds of MBs.
There is fvwm-gnome:
[..]
Unlike fvwm, this has been compiled with GNOME support (at this
point, this means that the fvwmGTK modules is a GNOME application,
not a gtk application. but this may change).
I _presume_ that if you install a kde app then it will pull in any
libraries it needs, but I honestly don't know as I try to find alternate
apps which do the same job.
I did not mean to imply that if you run fvwm you *cannot* run KDE or
GNOME apps. :-)
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Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:12:27PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote:
>> I installed fvwm, and I'm running it in another session, I must say,
>> without messing with any configuration, it looks quite impressive. It
>> seems faster than kde, which is a no-brainer since KDE is so demanding
>> on the resources.
>
> Yep, hunting out apps which don't need KDE/Gnome which do the same job
> can be a bit of a pain.
>
>> I really like when you move into a window it puts focus on the window
>> without bringing it to the front. That can be handy for some apps.
>
> All configurable.
>
> Have a look at your ~/.fvwm/.fvwmrc file.
>
> Did you install fvwm-themes?
>
Yes, I chose fvwm-crystal as the first one to try. Roberto is right
that it is raise on focus that I was referring to.
I have only experienced gnome, kde and xfce before being enlightened
with fvwm (pun intended).
One of the things about being a noob is that there are so many things to
explore. How am I supposed to know which WM, Browser, you name it, that
fits me until I try them all?
It was hard enough to decide to choose Debian over the 400 or so other
distributions out there. Now that I have settled, I have to customize
it to fit me. At least I can do that and not have to dip into my wallet
and buy third-party programs like I had to do with that other OS. Now I
can just donate to the projects that I deem worthwhile.
Joe
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fvwm (was Firefox/Iceweasel's ...)
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 03:22:35PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> >>Do try it. :-)
> >>
> >>[1] It's a bit of a learning curve, _but_ with power/versatility comes a
> >>huge manpage :-)
> >>
>
> I am a fvwm devotee. Absolutely everything is programmable through its
> .conf file. I have used it for years. Wishes:
>
> 1. An app that would show all that fvwm *can* do. Since I have been
> using the same conf file for years, how do you find what might be
> possible. Reading that man page is not possible for ordinary humans.
Treat it as a reference. Mind you, I've never read it. Most of my
limited understanding comes from tutorials on the net, e.g:
http://www.zensites.net/fvwm/guide/index.html
http://fvwmwiki.bu-web.de/Tutorials
http://fvwm.lair.be/
> [OT] Booting linux-image-2.6.18 with a USB disk attached is broke. Would
> love to fix *that*.
Probably better off starting another thread if you want people to help.
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Firefox/Iceweasel's weird close/quit behaviour
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 01:13:01AM +0100, Joe Hart wrote:
> That's one (fvwm) that I haven't tried. Unless that's comes standard on
> some distro's that I have tried. I'll look into it. Thanks for the tip.
Since you are running Sid, install fvwm-themes. It isn't in Etch, but it
looks like you can install the package from unstable.
> P.S. Learning Curve? What's that? I've tacked the switch from Windows
> to GNU/Linux, and using the CLI for most of my management instead of
> doing things through a GUI. I also am now running Sid because Etch was
> too stable for me to learn anything from. (If it ain't broke, I can't
> fix it)
You can have too much on your plate at once and never actually get to
eat everything before it gets too cold, whereas small portions ...
So I suggest installing fvwm, fvwm-icons, fvwm-themes.
create a .xinitrc file in your home directory.
man fvwm-themes for the syntax for the .xinitrc file.
disable kdm (you could purge it :-)
type startx and choose theme-management from the menu to choose a theme.
To get the Debian menu system:
theme-management-->current-->
Also check out the screenshots on the net and see how some people have
customised their desktops.
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Don't forget to check that your /etc/apt/sources.lst entries point to
etch and not testing, otherwise you may end up with a broken system once
etch goes stable.
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Desktop (was: Firefox/Iceweasel's weird close/quit behaviour)
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Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 01:13:01AM +0100, Joe Hart wrote:
>> That's one (fvwm) that I haven't tried. Unless that's comes standard on
>> some distro's that I have tried. I'll look into it. Thanks for the tip.
>
> Since you are running Sid, install fvwm-themes. It isn't in Etch, but it
> looks like you can install the package from unstable.
>
>> P.S. Learning Curve? What's that? I've tacked the switch from Windows
>> to GNU/Linux, and using the CLI for most of my management instead of
>> doing things through a GUI. I also am now running Sid because Etch was
>> too stable for me to learn anything from. (If it ain't broke, I can't
>> fix it)
>
> You can have too much on your plate at once and never actually get to
> eat everything before it gets too cold, whereas small portions ...
>
> So I suggest installing fvwm, fvwm-icons, fvwm-themes.
>
> create a .xinitrc file in your home directory.
> man fvwm-themes for the syntax for the .xinitrc file.
> disable kdm (you could purge it :-)
> type startx and choose theme-management from the menu to choose a theme.
>
> To get the Debian menu system:
> theme-management-->current-->
>
>
> Also check out the screenshots on the net and see how some people have
> customised their desktops.
>
I was thinking about disabling kdm anyway... and I did look at some
screenshots. Pretty amazing stuff people have done.
I thought my KDE desktop looked pretty good until I saw some other
people's. One thing that seems to be quite common is a OS X type theme.
I don't quite understand why people would buy a PC and try to imitate a
mac. Oh well, to each his own.
Thanks,
Joe
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Firefox/Iceweasel's weird close/quit behaviour
KS wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Long time ago Firefox used to behave like a normal Linux application
> with regards to keyboard shortcuts to close/quit the application.
> However, somewhere during the 1.5.x release or with 2.0, the Ctrl+Q does
> not do anything. Ctrl+W closes one tab at a time only and Ctrl+Shift+W
> quits the application (with more than 1 tabs open also).
As per 'File' menu Ctrl+Q does nothing in FF/IW as opposed to Seamonkey
(Ice-whatever) where it *does* close the app as advertised.
Hugo
>
> Why is it that it does not follow the *normal* keyboard shortcut of
> Ctrl+Q for quitting the application? All the applications that I used
> with either KDE or GNOME have Ctrl+Q as the shortcut to quit
> application. Am I missing something while expecting that Firefox should
> also behave like the others on Linux at least?
>
> Thanks,
> /KS
>
>
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