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BellSouth DSL with Static IPA friend recently got BellSouth DSL with 5 Static IP addresses. The router is a Netopia 3347. We are seeing web pages that state that BellSouth's DSL requires PPPoE installed in Linux verses being configured in the Netopia device. Does anyone have a clue how to configure the Debian Sarge PPPoE client to use a specific IP address? Around here, Static IP DSL packages come with a Netopia router, but the Netopia router acts as the PPPoE end point. We can simply enter the Static IP address into the interfaces file. So, would Thanks! -- -- Bookmark/Search this post with: 
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BellSouth DSL with Static IP
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007, Michael Lueck wrote:
> We are seeing web pages that state that BellSouth's DSL requires PPPoE
> installed in Linux verses being configured in the Netopia device.
When I had BellSouth service, I completely ignored their instructions
(and required windows only install CD) and set my netopia up for PPPoE -
and it just worked. The only issue was having to call tech support and
have them assign me a uid/pwd (because I couldn't use the windows cd) :(
I lied and said the CD arrived broken, and I needed the service up asap.
> Does anyone have a clue how to configure the Debian Sarge PPPoE client to use
> a specific IP address?
In the ppp options files, you can force a static IP, but inmnsho, you're
far better off to do pppoe in the modem and let the modem serve DHCP for
the lan behind it.
If you do setup pppoe on a box behind the modem, you're going to limit
yourself to one computer (or you'll have to make the linux box a
router).
BellSouth, back when I used them, did not like a network being attached
- they wanted to charge per box and provide their own equipment.
--
Rick Nelson
(I tried to get some documentation out of Digital on this, but as far as
I can tell even _they_ don't have it ;-)
-- Linus Torvalds, in an article on a dnserver
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BellSouth DSL with Static IP
Richard A Nelson wrote:
> When I had BellSouth service, I completely ignored their instructions
> (and required windows only install CD) and set my netopia up for PPPoE -
> and it just worked.
We can indeed "surf" reverting back to the default settings.
Indeed, default settings include the PPPoE end point being the Netopia. However, by default it NAT's the connection which makes the fact they include 5 static IP's basically useless.
Maybe there is some sort of middle ground that the PPPoE end point remains the Netopia box, but its NAT function is able to be disabled.
Following are the steps I got one of the BellSouth tech people to tell me in order to be able to utilize the static IP addresses:
Bridge Mode:
Basic Mode / Left
Expert Mode / Left
Yes
Configure Tab
WAN Tab
Wan IP Interface
PPPoE VCC1
Unchech NAT
Submit Button
WAB tab again
Uncheck Enable Gateway
Submit Button
Advanced Tab / Left
Services / Eth Bridge - Click on
Check box for Enable System Bridge
Submit
Yellow icon in the top right
save/restart
> In the ppp options files, you can force a static IP, but inmnsho, you're
> far better off to do pppoe in the modem and let the modem serve DHCP for
> the lan behind it.
The first half (pppoe in the modem) I am fine with. This connects to a Debian Linux based firewall, thus no need for DHCP... my goal is to simply enter an IP address for the outside interface in the
firewall... AND for it to actually work! ;-)
> BellSouth, back when I used them, did not like a network being attached
> - they wanted to charge per box and provide their own equipment.
Since they advertise 5 static IP's, I think they have reason to suspect the clients have some sort of network. ;-)
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Michael Lueck
Lueck Data Systems
http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/
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BellSouth DSL with Static IP
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007, Michael Lueck wrote:
> We can indeed "surf" reverting back to the default settings.
>
> Indeed, default settings include the PPPoE end point being the Netopia.
> However, by default it NAT's the connection which makes the fact they include
> 5 static IP's basically useless.
No, on my 3547, and I'll bet his system, you can use pin holes (port
forwarding) and/or ipmaps (nat translation) to expose as little, or as
much of the internal network as you need.
My netopia takes one address (and is what the internet sees for my
wifes windows box), I have a few IPs routed directly to my Linux box,
and a few pinholes to reach miscellaneous things externally.
Check out config->advanced, I like the flexibility of the netopia over
any other stock dsl modem I've seen (unless BS crippled it - my ISP here
shipped me a severly crippled westell, so I'm still using my bought
netopia)
--
Rick Nelson
Basically, I want people to know that when they use binary-only modules,
it's THEIR problem. I want people to know that in their bones, and I
want it shouted out from the rooftops. I want people to wake up in a
cold sweat every once in a while if they use binary-only modules.
-- Linus Torvalds
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BellSouth DSL with Static IP
Michael Lueck writes:
> The first half (pppoe in the modem) I am fine with. This connects to a
> Debian Linux based firewall, thus no need for DHCP...
Just put the Netopia in bridge mode and run PPPoE on the Linux
firewall/router. The software in the Netopia is crap anyway.
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John Hasler
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BellSouth DSL with Static IP
John Hasler wrote:
> Michael Lueck writes:
>> The first half (pppoe in the modem) I am fine with. This connects to a
>> Debian Linux based firewall, thus no need for DHCP...
>
> Just put the Netopia in bridge mode and run PPPoE on the Linux
> firewall/router.
Been there, tried that.
Happen to know how to configure PPPoE in Debian Sarge to a specific IP address when the ppp interface is brought up? PPP sort of implies that the "server" will assign the PPP client an address, but
remember we have 5 static IP addresses from BellSouth... so in our case the Linux client will know what address it wants already.
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Michael Lueck
Lueck Data Systems
http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/
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BellSouth DSL with Static IP
* Michael Lueck [070317 17:35]:
> A friend recently got BellSouth DSL with 5 Static IP addresses. The router
> is a Netopia 3347.
>
> We are seeing web pages that state that BellSouth's DSL requires PPPoE
> installed in Linux verses being configured in the Netopia device.
The two or three times I have had an account with Bell PPPoE, I let my
firewall/router (SmoothWall Express 2.0) handle PPPoE. This allowed
me to use interchangeably any of the three or four ADSL modems I have
accumulated over the years.
An added bonus is that, whenever DSL service went down, it took only a
few minutes to reconfigure SmoothWall for dial-up, and the LAN never
is aware of the switch from ADSL to dial-up.
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BellSouth DSL with Static IP
I am trying to do something similar with SBC Netopia 3546 with a sonicwall behind it. I want the SonicWall to have an external IP
We have 5 IPs. I am xxx.xxx.xxx.161 to xxx.xxx.xxx.165 The IP the Netopia pulls with PPoE is xxx.xxx.xxx.166
According to this documentation http://www.netopia.com/support/hardware/technotes/CQG_042.html
You are to uncheck the NAT box then I am confused as to what to set the LAN interface to. According to the document it says to set it to what the WAN is which would be xxx.xxx.xxx.166 in my case. Then use the xxx.xxx.xxx.166 as your gateway for the other devices. I have tried this but cannot make anything happen either from the sonicwall or from a laptop configured with one of those IP's.
I will post here if i get it working. Michael, can you let me know if you get it working?
Thanks!
BellSouth DSL with Static IP
As I wrote this, i realized what I did. DOINK...
Follow that document link above and you should be working
BellSouth DSL with Netopia
getzjd wrote:
> As I wrote this, i realized what I did. DOINK...
> Follow that document link above and you should be working
Thanks very much for that link. It was indeed describing the solution I remembered.
And we found further details about BellSouth's (AT&T's) 5 static IP product here:
FAQ: Static IP
http://help.bellsouth.net/bellsouth/asp/contentview.asp?UserType=DSL&source=2&sprt_cid=dfb4ebee-2f32-4f49-a123-546af02d08a1
All vendors involved make this MUCH harder than it really needs to be. Thankfully now we have a resolution.
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Michael Lueck
Lueck Data Systems
http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/
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