Pronunciation of common Linux-related words

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On 03/31/07 21:34, Michael Pobega wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 08:43:13PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>
>> On 03/31/07 19:33, Karl Goetz wrote:
>>> Dusty Wilson wrote:
>> [snip]
>>>> gnu = new, guh-new, or ?
>>> guh-new (GNU ... is pronounced /guh-noo/, approximately like /canoe/."
>>> from gnu.org)
>>>> gnome = nome, guh-nome, or ?
>>> to me, guh-nome
>> Rhymes with "duh" and sounds sooo.... ignorant sounding.
>>
>
> I agree it sounds pretty stupid, I think G.N.U. would sound better
> than Guhnoo. And GNOME is obviously smoother than Guhnome, but if
> that's how the devs meant for it to be pronounced that is how I will
> pronounce it.

Or we could fork GNOME and give the new project a better name.

>
>

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On 03/31/07 23:35, cga2000 wrote:
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> Not true. Try the lawn-guy-land accent for instance .. has the ugliest
> and most exaggerated diphthongs of any English dialect I have heard.

lawn-guy-land?

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On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 11:35:53PM -0500, cga2000 wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 09:11:21PM EST, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:

> > When you say "have a nice day", do you pronounce the 'y' at all? Is it
> > Daaaa, or Daaaai? Dipthongs are there for a reason; they differentiate
> > words when spoken verbally (try listening to someone from New York
> > speak, no dipthongs). I say Daaaimon.
>
> Not true. Try the lawn-guy-land accent for instance .. has the ugliest
> and most exaggerated diphthongs of any English dialect I have heard.

Who's the lawn-guy?

I wasn't suggesting to exaggerate the dipthong but to use it.
I don't say daaayamon.

I don't have a dictionary that gives the history of a word with me.
What is the origin of the 'ae' in daemon? It was origionally from greek
mythology but I neither read nor speak ancient greek.

Doug.

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On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 11:28:51AM +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 10:11:21PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 01:38:06AM +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 04:18:33PM -0700, Dusty Wilson wrote:
> >
> > Canadian (7th generation, North Atlantic [St. Mary's, West Irish,
> > Highland Scott] descent) southern Ontario dialect follows.
> >
> > When you say "have a nice day", do you pronounce the 'y' at all? Is it
> > Daaaa, or Daaaai? Dipthongs are there for a reason; they differentiate
> > words when spoken verbally (try listening to someone from New York
> > speak, no dipthongs). I say Daaaimon.
> >
> Depends: I normally pronounce day (I think) as De (as in De profundis)
> rather than Dei (As in Agnus Dei) unless I'm saying a "day's work"
>
> I'd also say requiem aeternam [requiem ayternam] unless I'm being really
> precise in singing in which I might say ay-ee-ternam. I've a friend
> who's a linguistics professional who knows this much better than I do
> - he points out that each person builds their own language pattern or
> idiolect.

OK, perhaps I should add to my dialect description at the top:

My first words were Cum-By-Ya (I sang for 6 weeks before I talked,
apparently). I grew up singing in church choirs. So I guess I say
daemon the same way you sing aeternam.

This is sort of like reading an introductary latin book. They tell you
to say a given latin word so it sounds like a given english word. Big
help there. Such books are a great veehickle to gettin an eduucaton. :)

Doug.

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Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> he points out that each person builds their own language pattern or
> idiolect.

What'd'ju just call me?!! Them thar's fightin' words, Buddy! ;-)

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On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 07:28:51AM EDT, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 10:11:21PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 01:38:06AM +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 04:18:33PM -0700, Dusty Wilson wrote:
> >
> > Canadian (7th generation, North Atlantic [St. Mary's, West Irish,
> > Highland Scott] descent) southern Ontario dialect follows.
> >
> > > > daemon = demon, day-mon, or ? [Dee-mon - The Concise OED has it as a
> > > variant of demon. Pandaemonium is strictly pan-day-monium but I don't
> > > know many people who don't elide it as pan-demo-knee-um (and therefore
> > > missspell it as pandemonium)]
> > >
> >
> > When you say "have a nice day", do you pronounce the 'y' at all? Is it
> > Daaaa, or Daaaai? Dipthongs are there for a reason; they differentiate
> > words when spoken verbally (try listening to someone from New York
> > speak, no dipthongs). I say Daaaimon.
> >
> Depends: I normally pronounce day (I think) as De (as in De profundis)
> rather than Dei (As in Agnus Dei) unless I'm saying a "day's work"
>
> I'd also say requiem aeternam [requiem ayternam] unless I'm being really
> precise in singing in which I might say ay-ee-ternam. I've a friend
> who's a linguistics professional who knows this much better than I do
> - he points out that each person builds their own language pattern or
> idiolect.

Hopefully some UNIX aethnologist (or would that be ethnologist?) will
stick a mike in the face of the old meisters and record their idiolects
while there's still time.

Thanks,
cga

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On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 02:29:31PM +0200, Lubos Vrbka wrote:

> by the way, i would add one more word to the list. how would one
> pronounce 'chroot'? like see-age-root?
>

I've never talked with someone who knows unix, so I speak it like I read
it. I would call it cherroot. Like the tiny cigars.

Doug.

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On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:29:31 +0200
Lubos Vrbka wrote:

Hello Lubos,

> by the way, i would add one more word to the list. how would one
> pronounce 'chroot'? like see-age-root?

I tend to say cheroot, with the hard "ch" sound (like in cherry, for
example).

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On 04/01/07 13:28, Dave Ewart wrote:
> On Sunday, 01.04.2007 at 11:19 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
>> On 04/01/07 05:37, Dave Ewart wrote:
>>> On Saturday, 31.03.2007 at 16:18 -0700, Dusty Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>> PostgreSQL = post-gress-cue-ell or ?
>>> Most people I know pronounce this "post-gress" (dropping/ignoring
>>> the 'SQL' part at the end).
>> And that's wrong.
>
> Steady, Ron: don't accuse people of being "wrong", when there's a
> subjective way of pronouncing words!

You can call it /Stinking pile of manure/ if you want, but that's
*not* the correct way to pronounce PostgreSQL.

http://lwn.net/2001/features/Momjian/

CL: First of all, how do you pronounce PostgreSQL?

BM: It's called Post-gres-cue-el (not Postgre-es-cue-el).
It's a very unusual name. It's very hard to pronounce. Somebody
described it as anti-marketing in a sense that it's so confusing
that people maybe don't even want to say it :-)

The original database software was called Postgres. When SQL
was added to it and its development was taken onto the Internet,
we added SQL at the end of the name. It looks like Postgreee
plus something at the end, it does confuse people. I really do
apologize for that :-)

> Besides, this is an abbreviation; yet a common enough one that the
> original poster would probably be interested in hearing about.
>
> "post-gress" is a pretty reasonable abbreviation for
> "post-gress-cue-ell". Just as "win-ex-pee" for "Microsoft Windows XP"
> or "Debian" for "Debian GNU/Linux" etc. They don't claim to the the
> full, complete and totally accurate description, but the original poster
> was asking about how they were typically pronounced. Typically, people
> will use abbreviations.
>
> Even though there may be a 'preferred' way of saying it (as per the
> developers link you sent), that doesn't mean that someone who pronounces
> it differently is *wrong*.
>
> I *write* it PostgreSQL, but *say* it "post-gress" because
> "post-gress-cue-ell" just *sounds* insane. It's one of those words that
> looks good written, but doesn't sound good spoken. Everyone knows what
> we mean when we say "post-gress".
>
> This is the most common pronounciation I've heard: perhaps it's a UK
> thing. Apart from a seminar I attended with a non-UK speaker, I've
> never heard it *said* "post-gress-cue-ell" at all.
>
> And...
>
> In any case, PostgreSQL did *used* to be called simply "postgres" (as in
> "post-ingres" I think) before it's name was modified at some later
> stage.
>
> Dave.
>

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Ron Johnson, Jr.
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Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!

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