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The Iranians are uncivilized!Call that humiliation? No hoods. No electric shocks. No beatings. These Iranians clearly are a very uncivilised bunch By Terry Jones 03/31/07 "The Guardian" -- -- I share the outrage expressed in the British press over the treatment of our naval personnel accused by Iran of illegally entering their waters. It is a disgrace. We would never dream of treating captives like this - allowing them to smoke cigarettes, for example, even though it has been proven that smoking kills. And as for compelling poor servicewoman Faye Turney to wear a black headscarf, and then allowing the picture to be posted around the world - have the Iranians no concept of civilised behaviour? For God's sake, what's wrong with putting a bag over her head? That's what we do with the Muslims we capture: we put bags over their heads, so it's hard to breathe. Then it's perfectly acceptable to take photographs of them and circulate them to the press because the captives can't be recognised and humiliated in the way these unfortunate British service people are. It is also unacceptable that these British captives should be made to talk on television and say things that they may regret later. If the Iranians put duct tape over their mouths, like we do to our captives, they wouldn't be able to talk at all. Of course they'd probably find it even harder to breathe - especially with a bag over their head - but at least they wouldn't be humiliated. And what's all this about allowing the captives to write letters home saying they are all right? It's time the Iranians fell into line with the rest of the civilised world: they should allow their captives the privacy of solitary confinement. That's one of the many privileges the US grants to its captives in Guantánamo Bay. The true mark of a civilised country is that it doesn't rush into charging people whom it has arbitrarily arrested in places it's just invaded. The inmates of Guantánamo, for example, have been enjoying all the privacy they want for almost five years, and the first inmate has only just been charged. What a contrast to the disgraceful Iranian rush to parade their captives before the cameras! What's more, it is clear that the Iranians are not giving their British prisoners any decent physical exercise. The US military make sure that their Iraqi captives enjoy PT. This takes the form of exciting "stress positions", which the captives are expected to hold for hours on end so as to improve their stomach and calf muscles. A common exercise is where they are made to stand on the balls of their feet and then squat so that their thighs are parallel to the ground. This creates intense pain and, finally, muscle failure. It's all good healthy fun and has the bonus that the captives will confess to anything to get out of it. And this brings me to my final point. It is clear from her TV appearance that servicewoman Turney has been put under pressure. The newspapers have persuaded behavioural psychologists to examine the footage and they all conclude that she is "unhappy and stressed". What is so appalling is the underhand way in which the Iranians have got her "unhappy and stressed". She shows no signs of electrocution or burn marks and there are no signs of beating on her face. This is unacceptable. If captives are to be put under duress, such as by forcing them into compromising sexual positions, or having electric shocks to their genitals, they should be photographed, as they were in Abu Ghraib. The photographs should then be circulated around the civilised world so that everyone can see exactly what has been going on. As Stephen Glover pointed out in the Daily Mail, perhaps it would not be right to bomb Iran in retaliation for the humiliation of our servicemen, but clearly the Iranian people must be made to suffer - whether by beefing up sanctions, as the Mail suggests, or simply by getting President Bush to hurry up and invade, as he intends to anyway, and bring democracy and western values to the country, as he has in Iraq. · Terry Jones is a film director, actor and Python - www.terry-jones.net © Guardian News and Media Limited 2007 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17455.htm |
Torture is the muslim forte.
This proves, what I've said all along, that we should have contracted our torture out to the Iranians instead of the Syrians, Egyptians, and etc.
The Iranians can scare a woman much better than we can.
Hell. We can't scare Vees. What chance would we have against an arab woman?
The Iranians are asking for it
I think they know that this is a delicate situation. If they harm those hostages many people will be in agreement with a bombing campaign. Including me. What do they expect to achieve anyway? They are doing the war supporters a favor by recruiting for them.
The Iranians are asking for it
I have heard about several Iranians abducted in Iraq by US. Yet, nobody talks about that?
The Iranians are asking for it
Good point 1.
If the US/UK/Israel abduct it is called 'arrest'. If anyone hostile to US/UK/Israel interests do it it is 'hostage-taking'.
So what were "us" Brits doing there in the first place? Originally the British Navy spokesman said that we (the Brits) were in "our" water (meaning Iraqi sic) in an area where there is NO agreement about "water borders" including no agreement from the UN.
The real war-mongerer in this situation is the UK government.
Just think if what Bliar claims is true ie that the Iranians arrested the people in Iraqi ('our' sic) water. How and why did the British allow Iranian Revolutionary guards to enter 'our' water? Why didn't 'we' arrest them?
I say, send the 'hostages' to an Iranian Guantanamo. Just to be fair.
anticapitalista
"Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it."
The Iranians are asking for it
right, and if the US does any harm to the kidnapped Iranian diplomats you would approve a bombing campaign against the USA, I am sure :-)
in fact, since NOTHING is know about the location or condition of these diplomats I suppose you would agree to an immediate start for such a bombing campaign.
oh, and since these diplomats were taken in Iraqi territory and since they were duly accredited there, and since they are protected by the Vienna Convention and since they are also protected under the Geneva Convention I suppose you would also favor an immediate international bombing campaign against the USA under the Chapter Seven of the UN, and maybe the first shot of that campaign should be fired by the Iraqi authorities on whose sovereign territory this action was committed and since Iraq does not have an army why don't you support selling Iraqi oil to Russia in exchange for a speedy delivery to RS-15M strategic mobile nuclear missiles and lauchers lauchers to the Mahdi Army or the Sadr Brigade?
Thanks God for such fair minded people like yourself who know that there must be one set of legal and moral criteria for all. I applaud you with the utmost sincerity!!
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The Iranians are asking for it
Ahmadinejad and Dubbyah deserve eachother - unfortunately it is the citizens of both nations that suffer instead. In Iraq, Bush is sending a lot more troops than he originally said he would - just as he's done in the past. More troops will fix it - yeah. What will fix it is if we go and exterminate a few thousands or even tens of thousands of supporters of various shiite ganglords - you know, the sort of thing Saddam was into. With the numerous warring factions, brutal suppression is the only way to go... and even that's not guaranteed to work because no one wants to be ruled by brutal invaders. As Oliver would say to Stan: "Look at the fine mess you've got us into now".
So far we have:
1. eliminated restrictions on continuous tour of duty
2. put another generation into hock
and I'm waiting for:
3. the draft
Now that Dubbyah has eliminated enough civil rights and anyone who opposes him can mysteriously disappear overnight never to be heard from again (ain't it nice to have a Chicano for attorney general and fat spineless worms for congressmen), why should Dubbyah balk at bringing back the good ol' draft?
I vote we send the various 'christian' sects over to Iraq by the shipload - that'll fix a few problems. There might even be enough of them to send an invasion force to Iran! Send Anne Coulter too.
If you truly believe that
"Now that Dubbyah has eliminated enough civil rights and anyone who opposes him can mysteriously disappear overnight never to be heard from again"
If you truly believe that, should you be risking yours and your families freedom and possibly lives by posting derogatory remarks about this man?
If he has all this power, why does he allow your posts? If it is, as you say, then there is no free speech.
Remember, Hicks is back in Australia which leaves an Australian bed available.
May G_d watch over and protect you and yours.
The Iranians are
Unlike you, jaclon, some of us are not cowards. Dubbyah is setting us up as a police state and we already know that a number of people have mysteriously vanished - who knows how many in all? If these people are enemies of the state, why isn't the public told about them? No matter how you might try to spin it, Dubbyah is well and truly in Stalin's camp. We're not even limiting ourselves to foreigners in the USA - US citizens have been victims of this. Hell, we don't even limit ourselves to the USA - Canadians have been victims as well. In the meantime you're acting like any victim of a totalitarian regime and denying that there is a problem - maybe when someone you know is a victim of Dubbyah's system you might change your mind - if you have one.
Is it really happening or is it the leftist media?
I'm glad you are not afraid for your life but do you have anyone to be afraid for?
Do you remember what truly happened to the enemies of the Soviet state? If you do and you believe it's happening again, why would you risk others?
Why risk your life to speak for others?
"One day they came and they took the Communists
And I said nothing because I was not a Communist
Then one day they came and they took the people of the
Jewish faith
And I said nothing because I had no faith left
One day they came and they took the unionists
And I said nothing because I was not a unionist
One day they burned the Catholic churches
And I said nothing because I was born a Protestant
Then one day they came and they took me
And I could say nothing because I was as guilty as they
were
For not speaking out and saying that all men have a
right to freedom
On any land
I was as guilty of genocide
As you
All of you
For you know when a man is free
And when to set him free from his slavery
So I charge you all with genocide
The same as I
One of the 18 million dead Jews
18 million dead people"
Charles Mingus
Is it really happening or is it the leftist media?
If you read history, during the American Revolution Patrick Henry made a speech in which he exclaimed "Give me Liberty or give me Death". If you're a goddamned coward and won't fight a rotten system because you're afraid you'll be harmed or your family will be harmed then you'll be nothing but a slave. I have known people who have gone to prison and been tortured because they spoke out against dictators. In Australia I've met several Polish and east German dissidents who have spent many years in prison for resisting the communist regime. Martin Luther King was incredibly unpopular with some groups. But if you don't fight back, the system will continue to treat you as less than an animal. Some pathetic excuses for human beings may be content with that and delude themselves that the rulers have their best interests in mind and that things will only get worse if they do different, but decent folk just don't put up with that shit. Bush is an imbecile, he's making very bad decisions, and he's quite happy to lie to the American public every step of the way. He's certainly no leader and he's the worst US president I've encountered in my lifetime. He is an abject failure - let's look at his report card:
1. Afghanistan: F
2. Iraq: F
3. Education: F
4. Welfare: F
5. National health services: F
6. Economy: F
7. Cronyism: A+
Well there - he does excel at something but it isn't any good for the USA.
Since you have begun using the word
Since you have begun using the word, I assume you have decided to go to Iraq and fight. Have you decided on the Shia or the Sunni as partners in your move against Bush?
I don't believe that you are a coward if you decide that it's not your war.
Since you are an atheist, the moment the muslims win, off comes your head. You can't win and Bush will still be President.
Wouldn't it be better to stay at home, on your pc, and fight with me? You don't risk injury not even a paper cut.
"It's best to say nothing and be thought a fool, than to post to a public message board and remove all doubt." -- unknown.
Since you have begun using the word
Jaclon, you're a bona-fide retard and a worthless lowlife to even suggest that I would be on the side of the Sunni or Shiite or to suggest that I would take up arms against my own country or its president (regardless of the fact that he's stolen the elections). Bush is out of office in a year - we'd do better if congress didn't vote on party lines and did their duty to their country and limited the damage done by that idiot president. Many of the Supreme Court justices are not party-agnostic and blindly support the president. Our system of checks and balances have failed thanks to partisan politics and now we're suffering for it.
As a matter of military tactics, the only moves that would stabilize Iraq would be incredibly unpopular and incur a large civilian casualty. Iraq is lost and things will be just as bad as in Saddam's era. As soon as we're out of there, they'll start killing eachother. But I don't see what's happening outside the USA as having anything to do with the atrocities happening within the USA except that they provide Dubbyah with a story to scare the public stiff and strip them of constitutional rights. America is being cowed by what's happening outside and being enslaved by what is happening inside. Cowards trade their rights and liberty for a 'soft' life and the delusion that things will be worse if they didn't allow themselves to be subjugated. If you would care to read Patrick Henry's speech and addresses of numerous other founders of the nation you'd see that nothing happening today is really new - it's happened before. You cannot be complacent about civil rights or you will lose them. The president is stripping citizens of the rights which America fought for back in the war for independence. We may as well be a member of the British commonwealth, pledge allegiance to the queen, and Dubbyah should be kissing Blair's ass, not the other way around.