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best programs for music listeningI listen to bits of music from a variety of places on the net (Live 365 etc.). The Alsa player works fine for Live 365, the Music Player for mp3 files, and Totem picks up some things. But I can't seem to play "Real" files. When I checked on adding a file to the Totem that promised to solve this problem, I received a message that Alsa would have to be deleted first. Seems complicated. What would be the best way of setting up the system to play the biggest range of files -- but minimally, Real, mp3 and Live 365? jedson Bookmark/Search this post with: 
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The 'Real' format should be handled by 'helix-player' but for the past 2 years I have always had very little success with it. Whatever format of Real is out on the web seems to be at least 1 version ahead of what helix can play. I have found this extremely irritating since Real Networks were making a big deal about 'helix' being the free player.
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Well, I give helix a try and let you know.
Thanks.
Jedson
realplayer
I looked at that helix program. All I am looking for is a way to play real files. This looked like a program that was set up to do everything except bring me my coffee in the morning. Itwas more than I wanted to get into. So I downloaded and installed the free linux realplay program. It looked good, but the quality was very bad. The music kept breaking at various places. I played the same things with Musicplayer and Totem and it didn't happen there. So I deleted the the realplay program. I guess I will just listen to mp3 files.
jedson
ps. Totem gives me a message that it can't play the real files and that maybe I need a plug-in. Is there is such a plug-in?
Yes, there is!
The problem is that the codec itself is not Free, and isn't playable without nonfree software. Real make a big thing about releasing it as such, but there seem to be two Real formats, and nobody seems to use the free one. At least, that's how I remember the situation when I was looking at this stuff twelve months ago.
Anyway, even if I have the political situation wrong hopefully I can help. If you're prepared to add a little nonfree software to your machine add the following line to your /etc/apt/sources.list :
deb http://mirror.home-dn.net/debian-multimedia unstable main
This is a mirror of debian-multimedia (which used to be known as the Marillat repository.) It contains a lot of stuff that is free for the downloading but not free enough for Debian nonfree. You may need to change the 'unstable' to 'stable' or 'testing' depending on what you're running.
Add this line, apt-get update (or however you do it) then apt-get install ffmpeg
This should cure your Real problem, but unfortunately involved selling your soul down the river. Have fun!
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A tidy house is the sign of a stolen computer.
I will inform on my grandmother.
commoblmmo --
Ok. I would inform on my grandmother if it gave me access to good music. We all have our limits. So I did what you suggested. I was able to get live 365 to work on totem, and the mp3 files still work. Quality is good. So I have lost no ground. However, I ran into a problem. When installing ffmpeg I was asked some questions. One had to do with deleting a kernal-image (a older not -used one???). It told me that if I said yes the moon might crash into the sun, or words to that effect. So I said no and went ahead with the installation. When I try to play Real files it still doesn't do it. Gives me a message that "AudioCode "Cook" is not handled." Then when I checked to see whether it would play a movie it wouldn't do it and suggested that I might need libdvdcss. When I went to install this file I was again warned that it would be necessary to delete kernel 2.6.8-2-686. Don't recall how to check what my current kernel is. Should I re-run the apt-get install for ffmpeg, or just install libdvdcss (saying yes to the kernal question in either case), or do something else? Keep in mind I am not an expert in all this technology.
jedson
Eeep!
I imagine there are conflicts with earlier versions of the kernel,but AFAIAA apt doesn't know which one you're running, and it will deal with it like any other conflict. I'm running 2.6.20 and I had no problems.
I haven't tried playing any Real files yet -- could you point me to something so I can test it?
I'd like to meet your grandmother one day. Does she come with her own Perry Como records?
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A tidy house is the sign of a stolen computer.
missed opportunity
My kernel seems to be 2.6.8-2-686, so and that is the one they say they would have to delete.
http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/index.html
Scroll down a bit. I recommend the Beethoven piano sonata.
A lot of the free files they offer are in both mp3 and Real, but a lot are also only available in Real.
Unfortunately she has been dead for 37 years, so its a missed opportunity. The Perry Como records were buried with her, which I think was probably a good thing.
missed opportunity
don't remove your kernel!
can you give us more detail about the conflicts? is any other software conflicting?
which package manager are you using?
be cautious here. If you can, you might like to install a newer kernel, but make sure you keep your old one while you test.
missed opportunity
Yeah, I thought that would be a mistake.
I use either apt-get or the synaptic package manager -- whichever seems most convenient for a particular job.
Do I need to backup the kernal itself, or just the files I have created and don't want to lose?
My idea is to just use just one music system -- if that is possible. Totem seems nice -- has some features I like. If it could play Real files that would be all I would need in addition to what I have. I don't usually use it for movies, but it would be nice if it also didn't have that glitch in the way of that -- which I suspect is the same glitch that prevents me from downloading certain files without losing my kernal.
missed opportunity
Just install a new kernel.
On sarge:
apt-cache search 'kernel-image'|grep '2.6'
On Etch and later:
apt-cache search 'linux-image'
Changes to kernels 2.6.12 and 2.6.15 require new versions of several tools and older 2.6 kernels are incompatible with these (although 2.4 kernels may still run).
Before you do anything you should take time to check the dependencies and conflicts yourself:
apt-cache show | grep Dep
apt-cache show | grep Conf
OK
OK. I'll give that a try. Thanks for all the advise and information. It may be a day or two before I can get to it, but I'll let you know the outcome.
jedson