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getting a new Debian boxHi All! I've been using Debian with my desktop replacement laptop HP Pavilion So I decided to get a desktop. I need some advices. I use computer primarily for reading/writing emails, browsing internet, So, my first question is: does it make sense to build my own Debian box, Also, I don't want hardware compatibility with linux to be an issue. I So, I found out that Dell offers Dimension n-series without preinstalled I am specifically interested in Dell Dimension n-series e521 model. It ------------------------------------------------------------ Operating System: FreeDOS included in the box, ready to install Memory: 1GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz- 2DIMMs Keyboard and Mouse Bundles: Dell USB Keyboard and Dell Optical USB Monitor: 19 inch SP1908FP Silver Flat Panel Monitor w/TrueLife (Glossy Video Card: 256MB NVIDIA Geforce 7300LE TurboCache Hard Drive: 250GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache Floppy Drive and Media Reader: No Floppy Drive Included Network Interface: Integrated 10/100 Ethernet Modem: 56K PCI Data Fax Modem CD ROM/DVD ROM: 16x DVD+/-RW Drive Sound Cards: Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio Speakers: Dell AS501 10W Flat Panel Attached Spkrs for UltraSharp Flat Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options: 1Yr In-Home Service, TOTAL:$689.00 Are there any other desktop computers I should consider buying instead I googled e521n and debian and found out that there was a problem with So if somebody here is using this model with Debian, please, provide Thanks for help in advance... -- -- Bookmark/Search this post with: 
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getting a new Debian box
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 21:51 -0700, Alexandru Cardaniuc wrote:
> Hi All!
>
> I've been using Debian with my desktop replacement laptop HP Pavilion
> zv5260 for about 2 years now. This was the only computer I had for about
> 2.5 years. I got tired of using the laptop constantly. I want something
> more convenient with a bigger screen and that I can use more
> comfortably.
>
> So I decided to get a desktop. I need some advices.
[snippage]
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Dell Dimension E521N: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 4000+
[snippage]
> TOTAL:$689.00
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Are there any other desktop computers I should consider buying instead
> of this one? Is there any configuration part I should consider changing?
> Should I upgrade to 2 GB of RAM ? 1GB seems to be enough for me, since I
> am using now etch on my laptop with 512MB and I don't see any problems.
> In general e521n seems to be enough for etch and everything I use, since
> I am running a 2.5 year old laptop and I don't see any real performance
> issues. But again, I am open to advices.
>
> I googled e521n and debian and found out that there was a problem with
> usb malfunction that froze mouse but that it was solved with the new
> bios update released by Dell in January, 2007. I didn't find any other
> issues. Everything else seems to work in Debian.
>
> So if somebody here is using this model with Debian, please, provide
> feedback. Do you have any issues? Something to be aware before bying it?
> Any compatibility issues with Debian? I would prefer to install on it
> Debian Stable (Etch) that goes with linux kernel 2.6.18
> Will I be able to do that? Or I will need new kernel 2.6.20 from
> unstable?
If you wait until May24th, Dell will be shipping Desktops and Laptops
with Ubuntu Linux pre-installed on them. Everything will work on them. I
believe the same model you just quoted.
Similar prices too.
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On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 01:18 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote:
> If you wait until May24th, Dell will be shipping Desktops and Laptops
> with Ubuntu Linux pre-installed on them. Everything will work on them. I
> believe the same model you just quoted.
>
> Similar prices too.
In fact here is a "blog" with the info:
http://jeremy.linuxquestions.org/2007/05/18/dell-announces-the-models-for-ubuntu/
Lets hope.
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Greg Folkert wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 21:51 -0700, Alexandru Cardaniuc wrote:
>
>> Hi All!
>>
>> I've been using Debian with my desktop replacement laptop HP Pavilion
>> zv5260 for about 2 years now. This was the only computer I had for about
>> 2.5 years. I got tired of using the laptop constantly. I want something
>> more convenient with a bigger screen and that I can use more
>> comfortably.
>>
>> So I decided to get a desktop. I need some advices.
>>
> [snippage]
>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> Dell Dimension E521N: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 4000+
>>
> [snippage]
>
>> TOTAL:$689.00
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Are there any other desktop computers I should consider buying instead
>> of this one? Is there any configuration part I should consider changing?
>> Should I upgrade to 2 GB of RAM ? 1GB seems to be enough for me, since I
>> am using now etch on my laptop with 512MB and I don't see any problems.
>> In general e521n seems to be enough for etch and everything I use, since
>> I am running a 2.5 year old laptop and I don't see any real performance
>> issues. But again, I am open to advices.
>>
>> I googled e521n and debian and found out that there was a problem with
>> usb malfunction that froze mouse but that it was solved with the new
>> bios update released by Dell in January, 2007. I didn't find any other
>> issues. Everything else seems to work in Debian.
>>
>> So if somebody here is using this model with Debian, please, provide
>> feedback. Do you have any issues? Something to be aware before bying it?
>> Any compatibility issues with Debian? I would prefer to install on it
>> Debian Stable (Etch) that goes with linux kernel 2.6.18
>> Will I be able to do that? Or I will need new kernel 2.6.20 from
>> unstable?
>>
>
> If you wait until May24th, Dell will be shipping Desktops and Laptops
> with Ubuntu Linux pre-installed on them. Everything will work on them. I
> believe the same model you just quoted.
>
> Similar prices too.
>
I believe the correct model number is the XPS 421, not the 521. At
least that is what was posted on Groklaw.
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On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 07:43 -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote:
> I believe the correct model number is the XPS 421, not the 521. At
> least that is what was posted on Groklaw.
Dimension E520, Inspiron E1505 and XPS 410
Cheers.
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getting a new Debian box
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 09:51:46PM -0700, Alexandru Cardaniuc wrote:
> So I decided to get a desktop. I need some advices.
>
> I use computer primarily for reading/writing emails, browsing internet,
> occasional openoffice.org use, watching movies on dvds or any mpeg
> movies. Most other times I spend sitting in emacs writing some code. I
> don't play computer games or use any 3D graphics applications.
> So I figured, I don't need a very fast and expensive graphics card, a
> lot of memory, the latest CPU or biggest HDD. This Desktop Computer is
> going to be used primarily for writing and compiling my code.
>
> So, my first question is: does it make sense to build my own Debian box,
> or for my purposes it's not necessary? From what I checked on the
> internet today some manufacturers offer prebuild computers for less
> price than I think I will be able to build it using the same parts. Any
> comments would be appreciated.
Hello Alexandru,
I went through this six months or so ago. I looked at the cheap
pre-build boxes and found that they were cheap for a reason, so I built
my own. Get a good case with good cooling, a good PSU, a single good
drive (I got a Seagate 80 GB SATA as the smallest I could find), and a
$40 graphics card. Get an Asus board, any CPU, one stick of ram, and
you're done.
I only make a computer every 10 years or so. I went a little
bleeding-edge at the time, and got a huge CM-Stacker case with all the
extra fans, 600W PSU, two drives for raid1 and Athlon64 CPU. Cost $1K
Cdn at the regular local business store. Would have been a lot cheaper
over the internet.
For what you need, any new CPU will work, 512 MB is fine and 1 GB is
overkill (unless X starts hogging memory).
The other thing to consider is a used computer. Just as an expensive
example, IBM certified-used NetVista P4s go for around $400.
I could do everthing except watch a movie and install Etch on my 486. I
could do everything on my PII execpt that both were short on memory.
If you get anything but a new computer that uses DDR2 ram, load it up
with ram before it gets hard to find.
Good luck,
Doug.
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Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 09:51:46PM -0700, Alexandru Cardaniuc wrote:
>
>
>> So I decided to get a desktop. I need some advices.
>>
>> I use computer primarily for reading/writing emails, browsing internet,
>> occasional openoffice.org use, watching movies on dvds or any mpeg
>> movies. Most other times I spend sitting in emacs writing some code. I
>> don't play computer games or use any 3D graphics applications.
>> So I figured, I don't need a very fast and expensive graphics card, a
>> lot of memory, the latest CPU or biggest HDD. This Desktop Computer is
>> going to be used primarily for writing and compiling my code.
>>
>> So, my first question is: does it make sense to build my own Debian box,
>> or for my purposes it's not necessary? From what I checked on the
>> internet today some manufacturers offer prebuild computers for less
>> price than I think I will be able to build it using the same parts. Any
>> comments would be appreciated.
>>
>
> Hello Alexandru,
>
> I went through this six months or so ago. I looked at the cheap
> pre-build boxes and found that they were cheap for a reason, so I built
> my own. Get a good case with good cooling, a good PSU, a single good
> drive (I got a Seagate 80 GB SATA as the smallest I could find), and a
> $40 graphics card. Get an Asus board, any CPU, one stick of ram, and
> you're done.
>
> I only make a computer every 10 years or so. I went a little
> bleeding-edge at the time, and got a huge CM-Stacker case with all the
> extra fans, 600W PSU, two drives for raid1 and Athlon64 CPU. Cost $1K
> Cdn at the regular local business store. Would have been a lot cheaper
> over the internet.
>
> For what you need, any new CPU will work, 512 MB is fine and 1 GB is
> overkill (unless X starts hogging memory).
>
> The other thing to consider is a used computer. Just as an expensive
> example, IBM certified-used NetVista P4s go for around $400.
>
> I could do everthing except watch a movie and install Etch on my 486. I
> could do everything on my PII execpt that both were short on memory.
>
> If you get anything but a new computer that uses DDR2 ram, load it up
> with ram before it gets hard to find.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Doug.
>
>
>
Not all pre-built computers are that bad. I have used Dell PCs in many
cases and have never had any trouble. I just checked a few sites that i
frequent to find good deals/prices, etc. and found this:
http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/odg/msn_module_jump?c=us&ACD=qIqORk8H2tFwAnZHl0Ul&AID=0041306007&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04
If you would like to check out the sites yourself they are:
www.dealdetectives.com
www.slickdeals.net
www.fatwallet.com
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> Not all pre-built computers are that bad. I have used Dell PCs in many
> cases and have never had any trouble. I just checked a few sites that i
What are the fan noises like on Dell PCs? Their low cost makes me
think they're pretty loud.
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On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 18:06 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/19/07 10:24, mailing.lists wrote:
> [snip]
> > Not all pre-built computers are that bad. I have used Dell PCs in many
> > cases and have never had any trouble. I just checked a few sites that i
>
> What are the fan noises like on Dell PCs? Their low cost makes me
> think they're pretty loud.
Many of them are semi-passive, with a thermal control on the fan (notice
I said fan).
I've recently had had the (dis?)pleasure of fixing one of these machines
with Vista pre-installed. I fixed it by putting Debian on it, the friend
was much happier.
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getting a new Debian box
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 07:24:26PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 18:06 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 05/19/07 10:24, mailing.lists wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > Not all pre-built computers are that bad. I have used Dell PCs in many
> > > cases and have never had any trouble. I just checked a few sites that i
> >
> > What are the fan noises like on Dell PCs? Their low cost makes me
> > think they're pretty loud.
>
> Many of them are semi-passive, with a thermal control on the fan (notice
> I said fan).
>
Does that mean that the fan speed is hardware controlled and not OS
controlled?
> I've recently had had the (dis?)pleasure of fixing one of these machines
> with Vista pre-installed. I fixed it by putting Debian on it, the friend
> was much happier.
>
Installing Debian over Windows should always be a pleasure :-)
Regards,
-Roberto
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On 05/19/07 08:05, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
[snip]
> I only make a computer every 10 years or so. I went a little
> bleeding-edge at the time, and got a huge CM-Stacker case with all the
> extra fans, 600W PSU, two drives for raid1 and Athlon64 CPU. Cost $1K
Sounds pretty noisy.
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Jefferson LA USA
Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!
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On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 06:07:33PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/19/07 08:05, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> [snip]
> > I only make a computer every 10 years or so. I went a little
> > bleeding-edge at the time, and got a huge CM-Stacker case with all the
> > extra fans, 600W PSU, two drives for raid1 and Athlon64 CPU. Cost $1K
>
> Sounds pretty noisy.
>
Actually, very quiet. I let the MB handle the fan speed on the
cross-flow (1"x12" squirl-cage), CPU, 80 mm blowhole, and two 80 mm fans
in the upper PSU bay. The CM iGreen 600W PSU is in the lower bay with
its big quiet fan. The front of the case is made up of 4-in-3 modules
each with a 120mm quiet fan powered by a drive molux. My GPU is fanless
and the M2N-SLI Deluxe MB has no fan other than the CPU.
The CPU fan is the only one I hear (high pitch directional) but I don't
want to void the AMD CPU warranty by using an after-market fan.
The only time I really hear the fans is on start up when everything goes
to high speed. Otherwise, everything's on low speed with case temp ==
ambient and CPU and GPU temp at 40 C.
My _first_ consideration (other than not going bankrupt) was longevity,
hense the huge case, PSU in bottom bay, and lots of fans. Good reliable
fans also seem to be quieter than cheap unreliable ones.
Doug.
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getting a new Debian box
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 04:02:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>
> My _first_ consideration (other than not going bankrupt) was longevity,
> hense the huge case, PSU in bottom bay, and lots of fans. Good reliable
> fans also seem to be quieter than cheap unreliable ones.
why PSU in the bottom bay? Does that not force more heat into the rest
of the box? or is it to keep the PSU , a very failure prone item,
cooler and thus longer lived? just curious.
A
[OT] getting a new Debian box
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 02:00:23PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 04:02:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> >
> > My _first_ consideration (other than not going bankrupt) was longevity,
> > hense the huge case, PSU in bottom bay, and lots of fans. Good reliable
> > fans also seem to be quieter than cheap unreliable ones.
>
> why PSU in the bottom bay? Does that not force more heat into the rest
> of the box? or is it to keep the PSU , a very failure prone item,
> cooler and thus longer lived? just curious.
>
Is the PSU really more failure prone than any other component?
Regards,
-Roberto
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[OT] getting a new Debian box
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 05:35:27PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 02:00:23PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 04:02:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>
> Is the PSU really more failure prone than any other component?
>
No, but if it goes, it can take the whole thing with it. If it goes
slightly, its a PITA to track down. Why dither? Keep it cool.
Doug.
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On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 05:42:56PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 05:35:27PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 02:00:23PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 04:02:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> >
> > Is the PSU really more failure prone than any other component?
> >
>
> No, but if it goes, it can take the whole thing with it. If it goes
> slightly, its a PITA to track down. Why dither? Keep it cool.
>
Makes sense. I do know that when I have had a PSU fail, it was really
annoying to have to literally remove every single non-permanently
attached piece from the case in order to get it out.
Regards,
-Roberto
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[OT] getting a new Debian box
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 09:19:27PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 05:42:56PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 05:35:27PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 02:00:23PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > > > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 04:02:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > >
> > > Is the PSU really more failure prone than any other component?
> > >
> >
> > No, but if it goes, it can take the whole thing with it. If it goes
> > slightly, its a PITA to track down. Why dither? Keep it cool.
> >
> Makes sense. I do know that when I have had a PSU fail, it was really
> annoying to have to literally remove every single non-permanently
> attached piece from the case in order to get it out.
>
Good reason to have a big case. With the CM-Stacker, the PSU can be
removed from either the inside, or more conveniently, from the rear
(once you unplug all the cables))); no need to remove anything else.
Doug.
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On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 08:30:40AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>
> Good reason to have a big case. With the CM-Stacker, the PSU can be
> removed from either the inside, or more conveniently, from the rear
> (once you unplug all the cables))); no need to remove anything else.
>
Yeah. It makes me wish I had at home some kit like we have at work.
Hot-swap power supplies are awesome.
Regards,
-Roberto
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On 05/21/07 07:30, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 09:19:27PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>> On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 05:42:56PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>>> On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 05:35:27PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>>>> On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 02:00:23PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 04:02:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>>>> Is the PSU really more failure prone than any other component?
>>>>
>>> No, but if it goes, it can take the whole thing with it. If it goes
>>> slightly, its a PITA to track down. Why dither? Keep it cool.
>>>
>> Makes sense. I do know that when I have had a PSU fail, it was really
>> annoying to have to literally remove every single non-permanently
>> attached piece from the case in order to get it out.
>>
>
> Good reason to have a big case. With the CM-Stacker, the PSU can be
> removed from either the inside, or more conveniently, from the rear
> (once you unplug all the cables))); no need to remove anything else.
BTW, *which* Stacker? Did I miss that?
http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/ProductList.aspx?catID=614
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On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:34:00AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/21/07 07:30, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>
> >Good reason to have a big case. With the CM-Stacker, the PSU can be
> >removed from either the inside, or more conveniently, from the rear
> >(once you unplug all the cables))); no need to remove anything else.
>
> BTW, *which* Stacker? Did I miss that?
>
> http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/ProductList.aspx?catID=614
>
I liked the older STC-T01.
The new one didn't have the same capabilites and cost more. The new one
seems to be designed for the modern gamer with clear side panel so your
MB cool lights show up...
Doug.
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On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 02:52:03PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:34:00AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 05/21/07 07:30, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> >
> > >Good reason to have a big case. With the CM-Stacker, the PSU can be
> > >removed from either the inside, or more conveniently, from the rear
> > >(once you unplug all the cables))); no need to remove anything else.
> >
> > BTW, *which* Stacker? Did I miss that?
> >
> > http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/ProductList.aspx?catID=614
> >
>
> I liked the older STC-T01.
>
> The new one didn't have the same capabilites and cost more. The new one
> seems to be designed for the modern gamer with clear side panel so your
> MB cool lights show up...
maybe I'm getting too old (don't trust anyone over 30!), but WTF is
the point? Does one somehow play better if there are cool lights
inside the case?
/me wanders off muttering about them dern whippersnappers
A
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Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> maybe I'm getting too old (don't trust anyone over 30!),
I'm 22...
> but WTF is
> the point? Does one somehow play better if there are cool lights
> inside the case?
There isn't any and no. Gamers seem more susceptible than most to that
old saw about a fool and his money...
> /me wanders off muttering about them dern whippersnappers
>
> A
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On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 06:06:43PM -0400, Andrew J. Barr wrote:
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> On Tue, 29 May 2007 13:21:32 -0700
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > maybe I'm getting too old (don't trust anyone over 30!),
>
> I'm 22...
like I said... whippersnapper. (I'm only 37, so I'm sure someone
(hugo?) will put me in my place).
>
> > but WTF is
> > the point? Does one somehow play better if there are cool lights
> > inside the case?
>
> There isn't any and no. Gamers seem more susceptible than most to that
> old saw about a fool and his money...
indeed.
A
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On 05/30/07 23:12, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 06:06:43PM -0400, Andrew J. Barr wrote:
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>> On Tue, 29 May 2007 13:21:32 -0700
>> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>>> maybe I'm getting too old (don't trust anyone over 30!),
>> I'm 22...
>
> like I said... whippersnapper. (I'm only 37, so I'm sure someone
> (hugo?) will put me in my place).
Geez, you're not even forty!!!!
>>> but WTF is
>>> the point? Does one somehow play better if there are cool lights
>>> inside the case?
>> There isn't any and no. Gamers seem more susceptible than most to that
>> old saw about a fool and his money...
>
> indeed.
--
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA USA
Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!
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On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 01:11:37AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/30/07 23:12, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> >On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 06:06:43PM -0400, Andrew J. Barr wrote:
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> >>On Tue, 29 May 2007 13:21:32 -0700
> >>Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> >>>maybe I'm getting too old (don't trust anyone over 30!),
> >>I'm 22...
> >
> >like I said... whippersnapper. (I'm only 37, so I'm sure someone
> >(hugo?) will put me in my place).
>
> Geez, you're not even forty!!!!
scary, isn't it?
A
[OT] getting a new Debian box
Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 02:52:03PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>> On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:34:00AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> On 05/21/07 07:30, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>> >
>>>> Good reason to have a big case. With the CM-Stacker, the PSU can be
>>>> removed from either the inside, or more conveniently, from the rear
>>>> (once you unplug all the cables))); no need to remove anything else.
>>> BTW, *which* Stacker? Did I miss that?
>>>
>>> http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/ProductList.aspx?catID=614
>>>
>> I liked the older STC-T01.
>>
>> The new one didn't have the same capabilites and cost more. The new one
>> seems to be designed for the modern gamer with clear side panel so your
>> MB cool lights show up...
>
> maybe I'm getting too old (don't trust anyone over 30!), but WTF is
> the point? Does one somehow play better if there are cool lights
> inside the case?
>
make that *under* 60
> /me wanders off muttering about them dern whippersnappers
>
> A
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On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 05:19:51AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> >On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 02:52:03PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> >>On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:34:00AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>>On 05/21/07 07:30, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> >> >
> >>>>Good reason to have a big case. With the CM-Stacker, the PSU can be
> >>>>removed from either the inside, or more conveniently, from the rear
> >>>>(once you unplug all the cables))); no need to remove anything else.
> >>>BTW, *which* Stacker? Did I miss that?
> >>>
> >>>http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/ProductList.aspx?catID=614
> >>>
> >>I liked the older STC-T01.
> >>
> >>The new one didn't have the same capabilites and cost more. The new one
> >>seems to be designed for the modern gamer with clear side panel so your
> >>MB cool lights show up...
> >
> >maybe I'm getting too old (don't trust anyone over 30!), but WTF is
> >the point? Does one somehow play better if there are cool lights
> >inside the case?
> >
>
> make that *under* 60
So... you're not interested in my bridge for sale?
A
[OT] getting a new Debian box
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:13:32PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> So... you're not interested in my bridge for sale?
If he buys your bridge, how will you chew your food?
Doug.
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On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 09:05:32AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:13:32PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>
> > So... you're not interested in my bridge for sale?
>
> If he buys your bridge, how will you chew your food?
that's what the kids are for!!
A
[OT] getting a new Debian box
* Douglas Allan Tutty [2007-05-20 17:42:56 -0400]:
> No, but if it goes, it can take the whole thing with it. If it goes
> slightly, its a PITA to track down. Why dither? Keep it cool.
I've set a laptop in a refrigerator in order to get a critical backup
off a failing drive. Cool works.
Regards,
Klein
--
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there'd be a shortage of fishing poles.
-- Doug Larson
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On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 05:35:27PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 02:00:23PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 04:02:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > >
> > > My _first_ consideration (other than not going bankrupt) was longevity,
> > > hense the huge case, PSU in bottom bay, and lots of fans. Good reliable
> > > fans also seem to be quieter than cheap unreliable ones.
> >
> > why PSU in the bottom bay? Does that not force more heat into the rest
> > of the box? or is it to keep the PSU , a very failure prone item,
> > cooler and thus longer lived? just curious.
> >
>
> Is the PSU really more failure prone than any other component?
it is my understanding, having long ago lost the source, that the PSU
is the *most* failure prone item. At least in consumer grade
stuff. But it is largely overlooked and probably goes undiagnosed, or
misdiagnosed as mobo issues etc. I do know that the two times I've
taken a box into a professional for diagnosing, the first thing they
test is the PSU.
Anecdotaly, I lose way more PSU's than anything else. Maybe I've got
bad power and in fact, I've not lost one on a UPS... hmmm...
Anyway, somewhere I read its PSU, then disks, then other stuff...
A
[OT] getting a new Debian box
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 10:31:30PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 05:35:27PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > Is the PSU really more failure prone than any other component?
>
> it is my understanding, having long ago lost the source, that the PSU
> is the *most* failure prone item. At least in consumer grade
> stuff. But it is largely overlooked and probably goes undiagnosed, or
> misdiagnosed as mobo issues etc. I do know that the two times I've
> taken a box into a professional for diagnosing, the first thing they
> test is the PSU.
>
> Anecdotaly, I lose way more PSU's than anything else. Maybe I've got
> bad power and in fact, I've not lost one on a UPS... hmmm...
I have my whole setup protected with a Panamax power bar that protects
all cables (power, phone, ethernet, antenna to TV and sterio [connected
to the computer via audio cable]) so that there is one single reference
ground. Its power is 50' away from the service entrance and that
entrance is protected with a panamax entrance protector. I couldn't
afford that _and_ a UPS so I figured that it was more important.
Doug.
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On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 08:36:47AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 10:31:30PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 05:35:27PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > > Is the PSU really more failure prone than any other component?
> >
> > it is my understanding, having long ago lost the source, that the PSU
> > is the *most* failure prone item. At least in consumer grade
> > stuff. But it is largely overlooked and probably goes undiagnosed, or
> > misdiagnosed as mobo issues etc. I do know that the two times I've
> > taken a box into a professional for diagnosing, the first thing they
> > test is the PSU.
> >
> > Anecdotaly, I lose way more PSU's than anything else. Maybe I've got
> > bad power and in fact, I've not lost one on a UPS... hmmm...
>
> I have my whole setup protected with a Panamax power bar that protects
> all cables (power, phone, ethernet, antenna to TV and sterio [connected
> to the computer via audio cable]) so that there is one single reference
> ground. Its power is 50' away from the service entrance and that
> entrance is protected with a panamax entrance protector. I couldn't
> afford that _and_ a UPS so I figured that it was more important.
we sometimes have spotty power here and a lot of it is underground
meaning it doesn't get upgraded... well, ever, I guess. Anyway, I
suspect its a culprit in my continued power supply failures. I think
I've lost 4 power supplies in my house over 5 years (multiple
machines) and a couple at work. I used to see my POS computers lock up
or crash randomly too. Throwing them on UPS's solved that problem. And
As I've migrated my systems at hoem onto UPS I've seen no more
problems here either. Of course, it could be that I'
ve put in higher quality replacement PSU's too.
ON a side note, have you noticed that its hard to actually find useful
replacement PSU's? My local shops carry all kinds of 5&600 watt PSU's,
but none of them put out enough power on the right combinations of
rails to support my stuff. I've had to replace a couple of them with
generic OEM style psu's. An example would be doing the math on my
hard-drive/peripheral load on one of my boxes, I determined that I
needed X watts on the 12 volt rail. I"m standing in CompUSA (ugh,
emergency) looking at rack after rack of PSU all of which offer .75X
watts on the 12 volt rail, no matter how "beefy" these PSU's claim to
be. They've put all the power in different places. I ended up with a
375 watt compusa brand psu because it put the power int he right
places. I suppose that's what I get for putting a 4 disk raid array in
a consumer grade box...
The guy next to me was scratching his head asking how to figure out
which PSU to buy, and I asked him what hardware he had to run off
it... he didn't know, so he bought the biggest one... heh.
A
[OT] PSU ramblings (was getting a new Debian box)
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 11:50:31AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 08:36:47AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 10:31:30PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> ON a side note, have you noticed that its hard to actually find useful
> replacement PSU's? My local shops carry all kinds of 5&600 watt PSU's,
> but none of them put out enough power on the right combinations of
> rails to support my stuff. I've had to replace a couple of them with
> generic OEM style psu's. An example would be doing the math on my
> hard-drive/peripheral load on one of my boxes, I determined that I
> needed X watts on the 12 volt rail.
Check out the CoolerMaster iGreen 600. 85% efficient, ATX 12V V 2.2,
RoHS compliant. MTBF > 400,000 Hrs, dual ball bearing 120 mm fan. 600
W continuous, 700 W max.
Continuous ratings:
3.3V 20 A
5V 20 A
total 166 W
12V 1 16 A
12V 2 14 A
12V 3 8 A
total 456 W
-12V 0.5 A
5Vsb 3 A
All the drives are powered by 12V 1. Two PCI-E 6-pin connectors, one
from 12V 1, the other from 12V 3. 12V 2 goes to the 4 and 8 pin 12V MB
connectors. So if you only have one GPU that needs a PCI-e connector,
use the one that is powered by 12V 3 and save 12V 1 for the drives.
If one PSU doesn't do it for your drives, add a second PSU. My
CM-Stacker case has two bays and comes with the harness that connects
the two.
Doug.
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On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 10:02:37AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 11:50:31AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 08:36:47AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 10:31:30PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>
> > ON a side note, have you noticed that its hard to actually find useful
> > replacement PSU's? My local shops carry all kinds of 5&600 watt PSU's,
> > but none of them put out enough power on the right combinations of
> > rails to support my stuff. I've had to replace a couple of them with
> > generic OEM style psu's. An example would be doing the math on my
> > hard-drive/peripheral load on one of my boxes, I determined that I
> > needed X watts on the 12 volt rail.
>
> Check out the CoolerMaster iGreen 600. 85% efficient, ATX 12V V 2.2,
> RoHS compliant. MTBF > 400,000 Hrs, dual ball bearing 120 mm fan. 600
> W continuous, 700 W max.
nice. thanks.
A
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On 05/22/07 09:02, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 11:50:31AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>> On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 08:36:47AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>>> On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 10:31:30PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>
>> ON a side note, have you noticed that its hard to actually find useful
>> replacement PSU's? My local shops carry all kinds of 5&600 watt PSU's,
>> but none of them put out enough power on the right combinations of
>> rails to support my stuff. I've had to replace a couple of them with
>> generic OEM style psu's. An example would be doing the math on my
>> hard-drive/peripheral load on one of my boxes, I determined that I
>> needed X watts on the 12 volt rail.
>
> Check out the CoolerMaster iGreen 600. 85% efficient, ATX 12V V 2.2,
> RoHS compliant. MTBF > 400,000 Hrs, dual ball bearing 120 mm fan. 600
> W continuous, 700 W max.
>
> Continuous ratings:
>
> 3.3V 20 A
> 5V 20 A
> total 166 W
>
> 12V 1 16 A
> 12V 2 14 A
> 12V 3 8 A
> total 456 W
>
> -12V 0.5 A
> 5Vsb 3 A
>
>
> All the drives are powered by 12V 1. Two PCI-E 6-pin connectors, one
> from 12V 1, the other from 12V 3. 12V 2 goes to the 4 and 8 pin 12V MB
> connectors. So if you only have one GPU that needs a PCI-e connector,
> use the one that is powered by 12V 3 and save 12V 1 for the drives.
I know that 12V means 12 volts, but what does the "3" in "12V 3" mean?
> If one PSU doesn't do it for your drives, add a second PSU. My
> CM-Stacker case has two bays and comes with the harness that connects
> the two.
- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA USA
Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!
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On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 10:38:30AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> I know that 12V means 12 volts, but what does the "3" in "12V 3" mean?
>
The PSU has three separate 12 Volt rails, each with a current limit.
12V 3 means the third rail.
Doug.
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On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 02:00:23PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 04:02:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> >
> > My _first_ consideration (other than not going bankrupt) was longevity,
> > hense the huge case, PSU in bottom bay, and lots of fans. Good reliable
> > fans also seem to be quieter than cheap unreliable ones.
>
> why PSU in the bottom bay? Does that not force more heat into the rest
> of the box? or is it to keep the PSU , a very failure prone item,
> cooler and thus longer lived? just curious.
>
The PSU stays cooler. It doesn't force heat into the rest of the box
since the PSU fan blows air out. To clear out heat in the top of the
case, I have two 80 mm fans in the upper bay where a PSU often is.
Doug.
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On 05/20/07 15:02, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 06:07:33PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 05/19/07 08:05, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>> [snip]
>>> I only make a computer every 10 years or so. I went a little
>>> bleeding-edge at the time, and got a huge CM-Stacker case with all the
>>> extra fans, 600W PSU, two drives for raid1 and Athlon64 CPU. Cost $1K
>> Sounds pretty noisy.
>>
>
> Actually, very quiet. I let the MB handle the fan speed on the
> cross-flow (1"x12" squirl-cage), CPU, 80 mm blowhole, and two 80 mm fans
> in the upper PSU bay. The CM iGreen 600W PSU is in the lower bay with
> its big quiet fan. The front of the case is made up of 4-in-3 modules
> each with a 120mm quiet fan powered by a drive molux. My GPU is fanless
> and the M2N-SLI Deluxe MB has no fan other than the CPU.
According to a previous post, you only have one HDD?
Are there 5.25->3.5 converter rails, or only the 4-in-3 modules?
Seems to me that having 5.25->3.5 converter rails would allow more
air-flow above and below the drives.
Which video card did you get?
How well is that mobo supported by Lenny? Did you have to use the
Sid installer? Any other gotchas?
> The CPU fan is the only one I hear (high pitch directional) but I don't
> want to void the AMD CPU warranty by using an after-market fan.
>
> The only time I really hear the fans is on start up when everything goes
> to high speed. Otherwise, everything's on low speed with case temp ==
> ambient and CPU and GPU temp at 40 C.
>
> My _first_ consideration (other than not going bankrupt) was longevity,
> hense the huge case, PSU in bottom bay, and lots of fans. Good reliable
> fans also seem to be quieter than cheap unreliable ones.
- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA USA
Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!
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Ron Johnson wrote:
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> On 05/20/07 15:02, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>> On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 06:07:33PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> On 05/19/07 08:05, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>> I only make a computer every 10 years or so. I went a little
>>>> bleeding-edge at the time, and got a huge CM-Stacker case with all the
>>>> extra fans, 600W PSU, two drives for raid1 and Athlon64 CPU. Cost $1K
>>> Sounds pretty noisy.
>>>
>> Actually, very quiet. I let the MB handle the fan speed on the
>> cross-flow (1"x12" squirl-cage), CPU, 80 mm blowhole, and two 80 mm fans
>> in the upper PSU bay. The CM iGreen 600W PSU is in the lower bay with
>> its big quiet fan. The front of the case is made up of 4-in-3 modules
>> each with a 120mm quiet fan powered by a drive molux. My GPU is fanless
>> and the M2N-SLI Deluxe MB has no fan other than the CPU.
>
> According to a previous post, you only have one HDD?
>
> Are there 5.25->3.5 converter rails, or only the 4-in-3 modules?
> Seems to me that having 5.25->3.5 converter rails would allow more
> air-flow above and below the drives.
>
> Which video card did you get?
>
> How well is that mobo supported by Lenny? Did you have to use the
> Sid installer? Any other gotchas?
The Newegg customer reviews of that particular board said "Great Linux
board" and "Linux Friendly" without specifying the distro, but given the
popularity it would be my first choice.
Hugo
>
>> The CPU fan is the only one I hear (high pitch directional) but I don't
>> want to void the AMD CPU warranty by using an after-market fan.
>>
>> The only time I really hear the fans is on start up when everything goes
>> to high speed. Otherwise, everything's on low speed with case temp ==
>> ambient and CPU and GPU temp at 40 C.
>>
>> My _first_ consideration (other than not going bankrupt) was longevity,
>> hense the huge case, PSU in bottom bay, and lots of fans. Good reliable
>> fans also seem to be quieter than cheap unreliable ones.
>
> - --
> Ron Johnson, Jr.
> Jefferson LA USA
>
> Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
> Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!
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On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 08:43:37AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/20/07 15:02, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> According to a previous post, you only have one HDD?
After discussions with Lenart Sorrensen on amd64, I decided to get a
second drive and raid1 the system. I filled up the front with 4-in-3 to
get the fans.
>
> Are there 5.25->3.5 converter rails, or only the 4-in-3 modules?
> Seems to me that having 5.25->3.5 converter rails would allow more
> air-flow above and below the drives.
>
If I just went with rails, I don't get fans blowing in the front. The
4-in-3 modules are a box about 4" square on the front with a 4" fan at
the front. The inside of the box is the right size for 4 3.5" drives, the
outside is the size of 3 5-1/4" stacked drives (hense 4 in 3). There
may be better fanned drive mounts, I don't know.
> Which video card did you get?
Asus EN7300GT Silent. Uses NVidia 7300 GT. 256 MB ram, hardware JPEG
decoding (if you use the NVidia driver debian package).
>
> How well is that mobo supported by Lenny? Did you have to use the
> Sid installer? Any other gotchas?
I had to use Etch beta 3 since the drives are SATA. Haven't tried Lenny
or Sid. No gotchas at all.
When I bought the box, my short list was this board for Athlon 64 and a
Tyan for Opteron. Going Opteron would have cost me $500 more (added
cost of CPU and the memory) and I couldn't swing it. AIUSI, the Athlon
has the extra multimedia capability but since I went with hardware
conversion it wouldn't have been an issue. I haven't _yet_ had to wait
for anything other than disk IO, but who knows what 10 years will bring.
The first upgrade I do will be to add a second 1 GB stick to make the
DDR2 double-channel.
Doug.
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> On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 08:43:37AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 05/20/07 15:02, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>
>> According to a previous post, you only have one HDD?
>
> After discussions with Lenart Sorrensen on amd64, I decided to get a
> second drive and raid1 the system. I filled up the front with 4-in-3 to
> get the fans.
>
>> Are there 5.25->3.5 converter rails, or only the 4-in-3 modules?
>> Seems to me that having 5.25->3.5 converter rails would allow more
>> air-flow above and below the drives.
>>
>
> If I just went with rails, I don't get fans blowing in the front. The
> 4-in-3 modules are a box about 4" square on the front with a 4" fan at
> the front. The inside of the box is the right size for 4 3.5" drives, the
> outside is the size of 3 5-1/4" stacked drives (hense 4 in 3). There
> may be better fanned drive mounts, I don't know.
>
>> Which video card did you get?
>
> Asus EN7300GT Silent. Uses NVidia 7300 GT. 256 MB ram, hardware JPEG
> decoding (if you use the NVidia driver debian package).
>
>> How well is that mobo supported by Lenny? Did you have to use the
>> Sid installer? Any other gotchas?
>
> I had to use Etch beta 3 since the drives are SATA. Haven't tried Lenny
> or Sid. No gotchas at all.
>
> When I bought the box, my short list was this board for Athlon 64 and a
> Tyan for Opteron. Going Opteron would have cost me $500 more (added
> cost of CPU and the memory) and I couldn't swing it. AIUSI, the Athlon
> has the extra multimedia capability but since I went with hardware
> conversion it wouldn't have been an issue. I haven't _yet_ had to wait
> for anything other than disk IO, but who knows what 10 years will bring.
> The first upgrade I do will be to add a second 1 GB stick to make the
> DDR2 double-channel.
Interesting. Did you get PATA or SATA DVD drive? If SATA, what model?
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Jefferson LA USA
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CM-Stacker plus... (was getting a new Debian box)
On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 10:41:20AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Interesting. Did you get PATA or SATA DVD drive? If SATA, what model?
I already had an LG read/burn anything. Its IDE. I have that plus a
ZIP drive on the one IDE port.
Doug.
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getting a new Debian box
I've been pretty happy with the desktop system I bought from system76.
(that's http://www.system76.com) Their computers come with Ubuntu
installed, but Debian runs just fine too. The only sticking points are
that hibernation doesn't work, and it uses an NVidia card (which I'm
ambivalent about; acceleration is nice, but the driver situation is
not).
Daniel
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