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On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 05:36:09PM -0000, ispmarin wrote:
> Hello all at Debian User.
>
> I am looking for a printer with very low per page cost (catridges,
> tonners etc) and not very expensive to buy. I dont care if it is laser
> or deskjet. Performance is not a issue (it can be slow), and the
> quality of the page dont need to be high (I will print mainly texts
> and code, and very occasionally a graph), and can be black and white.
> Does anybody has some suggestions?
>
If you are located in the US, then go to Newegg and search for CLP.
That should get you a list of all the Samsung Color Laser printers. For
home/small office use, I'm not sure you can find a better printer for
the price.
I have the CLP-550N, which is no longer made. But the other models are
more or less comparable (except that it appears they no longer produce a
model with a built in duplexer).
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On 07/09/07 12:59, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 05:36:09PM -0000, ispmarin wrote:
>> Hello all at Debian User.
>>
>> I am looking for a printer with very low per page cost (catridges,
>> tonners etc) and not very expensive to buy. I dont care if it is laser
>> or deskjet. Performance is not a issue (it can be slow), and the
>> quality of the page dont need to be high (I will print mainly texts
>> and code, and very occasionally a graph), and can be black and white.
>> Does anybody has some suggestions?
>>
> If you are located in the US, then go to Newegg and search for CLP.
> That should get you a list of all the Samsung Color Laser printers. For
> home/small office use, I'm not sure you can find a better printer for
> the price.
>
> I have the CLP-550N, which is no longer made. But the other models are
> more or less comparable (except that it appears they no longer produce a
> model with a built in duplexer).
The Dell 3100cn (or it's successor) color laser printer works great
with CUPS. It's cheap, but *big*.
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ispmarin wrote:
> Hello all at Debian User.
>
> I am looking for a printer with very low per page cost (catridges,
> tonners etc) and not very expensive to buy. I dont care if it is laser
> or deskjet. Performance is not a issue (it can be slow), and the
> quality of the page dont need to be high (I will print mainly texts
> and code, and very occasionally a graph), and can be black and white.
> Does anybody has some suggestions?
>
> Thank you!
>
>
my response remains the same as the one on buntu forums. Try Brother
laser printers e.g. HL2040 or HL2070n for networking features.
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On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 05:36:09PM -0000, ispmarin wrote:
> Hello all at Debian User.
>
> I am looking for a printer with very low per page cost (catridges,
> tonners etc) and not very expensive to buy. I dont care if it is laser
> or deskjet. Performance is not a issue (it can be slow), and the
> quality of the page dont need to be high (I will print mainly texts
> and code, and very occasionally a graph), and can be black and white.
> Does anybody has some suggestions?
>
As far as I've been able to see (and by their prevalence in
PointOfSale), its hard to beat a dot-matrix. Slow, yes; noisy, perhaps;
low-res, NearLetterQuality; black-and-white, OK. Inexpensive: over the
lifetime (decades) yes, upfront-price somewhere between an inkjet and a
laser. They are the cheapest to operate: new ribbon under $10 good for
about 50,000 pages. You can either use tractor-feed paper (slightly
more than loose) or loose reams if you have a sheet-feeder bin.
For plain text, they should all work. For postscript via gs with a
suitable print filter (cups, LPRNG + ?, lpd + ?), they also work just
fine. 9-pin have lower res, a bit faster, and last more decades than
24-pin.
To get an idea of what I'm talking about, look at the Epsons on their
web site, and look at eBay for bigger used beasts that (Caviot Emptor)
still have some years in them; you'll probably pay more for shipping
than for the printer. You may even be able to get one for a few bucks
at a used computer store.
For example, my printer was given to me when the owner got rid of their
IBM PC Jr. Its an IBM PC Graphics Printer, as pictured on the press
release anouncing the origional IBM PC. Still runs, ribbons are
off-the-shelf. The only problem is that the little do-hicky that winds
the ribbon broke off two owners ago.
Good luck,
Doug.
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Your cost per page really depends on how many pages, in total you are going to print.
Inkjets are relatively expensive per page, unless you get yumcha ink at exceedingly good prices. ever noticed how you can buy a inkjet printer for less that the costof the refills?
If you want a cheap cents per page laser, then you really need to go back to something based on the Canon SX engine, like a HP Laserjet II, Gestetner, etc, etc. with so many machine using the same toner cartridge, the cost of tower per page was the lowest ever. Still is.
Now, if you really want low cost per page, mono, look at a good dot matrix printer. something like the NEC P6300, will do everything you want. Yes, including graphs and graphics. Not as good as postscript, but perfectly clear and usable.
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On Jul 9, 2007, at 8:12 PM, terryc wrote:
> If you want a cheap cents per page laser, then you really need to
> go back to something based on the Canon SX engine, like a HP
> Laserjet II, Gestetner, etc, etc. with so many machine using the
> same toner cartridge, the cost of tower per page was the lowest
> ever. Still is.
You might have to consider the value of your time, though. Those
printers are S-L-O-W. ;) Postscript rendering performance is
especially glacial thanks to the slow processors in printers of that
era. Raw text isn't too bad. The LaserJet III is a little more
sophisticated than the II and uses the same print engine and the same
cheap toner cartridges, BTW.
They're extremely sturdy compared to modern units, and you can still
get parts, but be prepared to do some fix-up work. They're getting
long in the tooth and a lot of them have sticky solenoids, glazed
feed tires, and bad fusers. If you get the chance to test one you're
thinking of buying, wipe your finger across a finished page and make
sure no toner comes off. A replacement fuser can cost several times
what the printer itself is worth.
You're right that they have the cheapest toner cost per page you're
likely to find, though, and the printers themselves (and the
cartridges!) can often be picked up for peanuts at university surplus
stores. I think the last LaserJet III I bought cost $3, and needed
$10 worth of parts to get working.
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terryc wrote:
[snip]
> Now, if you really want low cost per page, mono, look at a good dot
Did you really mean to use that word? I dunno what language you
intended, but in slangy Spanish "'mano" is short for "hermano",
or brother. But "mono" is pejorative.
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On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 10:47:15AM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> terryc wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Now, if you really want low cost per page, mono, look at a good dot
>
> Did you really mean to use that word? I dunno what language you
> intended, but in slangy Spanish "'mano" is short for "hermano",
> or brother. But "mono" is pejorative.
I think he meant monochrome ;)
Regards,
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On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 05:36:09PM -0000, ispmarin wrote:
> Hello all at Debian User.
>
> I am looking for a printer with very low per page cost (catridges,
> tonners etc) and not very expensive to buy. I dont care if it is laser
> or deskjet. Performance is not a issue (it can be slow), and the
> quality of the page dont need to be high (I will print mainly texts
> and code, and very occasionally a graph), and can be black and white.
If you're looking for an inexpensive printer you can pick up tomorrow at your local
Staples, some of the most recent HP's are surprisingly cheap to run.
The new $99 C4280 (an All-in-One, so also a scanner) takes a $30 add on large
black cartridge that yields 750 pages, for a cost per page of around 4
cents.
However, since this is a new model, for driver support you'd have to
install hplip from download instead of from the Debian
repositories.
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On Jul 9, 2007, at 8:15 PM, Andrew Malcolmson wrote:
> If you're looking for an inexpensive printer you can pick up
> tomorrow at your local
> Staples, some of the most recent HP's are surprisingly cheap to run.
>
> The new $99 C4280 (an All-in-One, so also a scanner) takes a $30
> add on large
> black cartridge that yields 750 pages, for a cost per page of around 4
> cents.
One caveat with these is they can get expensive in a hurry if you
don't print very often. I've had a lot of nearly full inkjet
cartridges dry out or become irretrievably clogged after a month or
two of disuse, over the years.
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David Brodbeck wrote:
>
> On Jul 9, 2007, at 8:15 PM, Andrew Malcolmson wrote:
>
>> If you're looking for an inexpensive printer you can pick up tomorrow
>> at your local
>> Staples, some of the most recent HP's are surprisingly cheap to run.
>>
>> The new $99 C4280 (an All-in-One, so also a scanner) takes a $30 add
>> on large
>> black cartridge that yields 750 pages, for a cost per page of around 4
>> cents.
>
>
> One caveat with these is they can get expensive in a hurry if you don't
> print very often. I've had a lot of nearly full inkjet cartridges dry
> out or become irretrievably clogged after a month or two of disuse,
> over the years.
Hmm. I have s DeskJet 895C which has been sitting up for over a year
with cartridges in it. I plugged it in, started it up, and it prints
just fine. It had a couple of clogged nozzles, but after printing
three test pages, they cleared up.
As always, YMMV
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On Jul 10, 2007, at 11:12 AM, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Hmm. I have s DeskJet 895C which has been sitting up for over a year
> with cartridges in it. I plugged it in, started it up, and it prints
> just fine. It had a couple of clogged nozzles, but after printing
> three test pages, they cleared up.
That's impressive. The last 895C I had that sat that long ended up
dripping ink onto someone's head. All the ink drained out of the
cartridge and into the bottom of the printer!
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On 07/10/07 13:06, David Brodbeck wrote:
>
> On Jul 9, 2007, at 8:15 PM, Andrew Malcolmson wrote:
>> If you're looking for an inexpensive printer you can pick up tomorrow
>> at your local
>> Staples, some of the most recent HP's are surprisingly cheap to run.
>>
>> The new $99 C4280 (an All-in-One, so also a scanner) takes a $30 add
>> on large
>> black cartridge that yields 750 pages, for a cost per page of around 4
>> cents.
>
> One caveat with these is they can get expensive in a hurry if you don't
> print very often. I've had a lot of nearly full inkjet cartridges dry
> out or become irretrievably clogged after a month or two of disuse, over
> the years.
That's why I went for an inexpensive color laser printer. It cost
US$350, but there's no ink to dry up and nozzles to clog.
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On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 03:57:31PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> That's why I went for an inexpensive color laser printer. It cost
> US$350, but there's no ink to dry up and nozzles to clog.
>
You don't find that the toner cakes and settles? I've had that in humid
weather. It required lots of shaking and I still didn't get the spec
number of pages out of that toner. That was with my Samsung laser. The
cartridges are supposed to be good for 8,000 pages and cost me around
$220 CDN.
Doug.
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On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 09:22:09PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 03:57:31PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> > That's why I went for an inexpensive color laser printer. It cost
> > US$350, but there's no ink to dry up and nozzles to clog.
> >
>
> You don't find that the toner cakes and settles? I've had that in humid
> weather. It required lots of shaking and I still didn't get the spec
> number of pages out of that toner. That was with my Samsung laser. The
> cartridges are supposed to be good for 8,000 pages and cost me around
> $220 CDN.
>
I have a CLP-550N and I have not had that problem. In fact, I purchased
my printer going on three years ago and I am still using the factory
toner cartridges.
Regards,
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On Jul 10, 2007, at 6:41 PM, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 09:22:09PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: You don't find that the toner cakes and settles? I've had that in humidweather. It required lots of shaking and I still didn't get the specnumber of pages out of that toner. That was with my Samsung laser. Thecartridges are supposed to be good for 8,000 pages and cost me around$220 CDN. I have a CLP-550N and I have not had that problem. In fact, I purchasedmy printer going on three years ago and I am still using the factorytoner cartridges.I haven't had that particular problem with my LaserJets. I have had the imaging drum in the cartridge develop bad spots before the toner was used up, but I think that was mechanical abuse, not old age. In both cases the problem showed up shortly after the printer had been bounced around in a moving truck. David BrodbeckInformation Technology Specialist 3Computational LinguisticsUniversity of Washington
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On 07/10/07 20:22, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 03:57:31PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
>> That's why I went for an inexpensive color laser printer. It cost
>> US$350, but there's no ink to dry up and nozzles to clog.
>>
>
> You don't find that the toner cakes and settles? I've had that in humid
> weather.
Well, no, because here in the US we have air conditioners. I
understand that up in the Great White North it rarely gets above 10C
and so you've only heard rumors of such things, but they do a great
job of, among other things, keeping the air dry inside the house.
> It required lots of shaking and I still didn't get the spec
> number of pages out of that toner. That was with my Samsung laser. The
> cartridges are supposed to be good for 8,000 pages and cost me around
> $220 CDN.
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On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 09:59:25PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
>
> Well, no, because here in the US we have air conditioners. I
> understand that up in the Great White North it rarely gets above 10C
> and so you've only heard rumors of such things, but they do a great
> job of, among other things, keeping the air dry inside the house.
>
>
Oddly enough, this moisture problem has even cause people to develop
specific units whose only purpose is to remove moisture from the air.
They are called dehumidifiers.
Regards,
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On 07/10/07 22:07, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 09:59:25PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>
>> Well, no, because here in the US we have air conditioners. I
>> understand that up in the Great White North it rarely gets above 10C
>> and so you've only heard rumors of such things, but they do a great
>> job of, among other things, keeping the air dry inside the house.
>>
>>
> Oddly enough, this moisture problem has even cause people to develop
> specific units whose only purpose is to remove moisture from the air.
> They are called dehumidifiers.
Why remove the humidity and leave the heat? Doesn't sound very bright.
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On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 10:15:49PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 07/10/07 22:07, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> >On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 09:59:25PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>
> >>Well, no, because here in the US we have air conditioners. I
> >>understand that up in the Great White North it rarely gets above 10C
> >>and so you've only heard rumors of such things, but they do a great
> >>job of, among other things, keeping the air dry inside the house.
> >>
> >>
> >Oddly enough, this moisture problem has even cause people to develop
> >specific units whose only purpose is to remove moisture from the air.
> >They are called dehumidifiers.
>
> Why remove the humidity and leave the heat? Doesn't sound very bright.
>
I thought you established that it doesn't get hot in Canada.
Regards,
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On 07/10/07 22:21, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 10:15:49PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 07/10/07 22:07, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 09:59:25PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well, no, because here in the US we have air conditioners. I
>>>> understand that up in the Great White North it rarely gets above 10C
>>>> and so you've only heard rumors of such things, but they do a great
>>>> job of, among other things, keeping the air dry inside the house.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Oddly enough, this moisture problem has even cause people to develop
>>> specific units whose only purpose is to remove moisture from the air.
>>> They are called dehumidifiers.
>> Why remove the humidity and leave the heat? Doesn't sound very bright.
>>
> I thought you established that it doesn't get hot in Canada.
I'm an American, remember? I only care about what's happening in my
neighborhood.
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On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 10:31:29PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 07/10/07 22:21, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>> I thought you established that it doesn't get hot in Canada.
Well, I'm almost in canada and it's 104F (40C) here today with 106F (41C) tomorrow
and saturday. But, as was already said, at least its a dry heat.
So much for our 85F (29C) average...
>
> I'm an American, remember? I only care about what's happening in my
> neighborhood.
So, what is happening there? Mine's mostly overgrown as its to
freakin' hot to mow... and my wife made me lose the chickens who had
been keeping it cut down pretty well...
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On 07/11/07 18:44, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 10:31:29PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 07/10/07 22:21, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>
>>> I thought you established that it doesn't get hot in Canada.
>
> Well, I'm almost in canada and it's 104F (40C) here today with 106F (41C) tomorrow
> and saturday. But, as was already said, at least its a dry heat.
>
> So much for our 85F (29C) average...
That's why it's called an *average*.
Because people (even, apparently, smart people like you) seem to
fixate on that "average" number and think that "because that's the
average, that's what the temperature is supposed to be", weather
sites should *not* post average, but *should* post the *range* of
temperatures 1 STDDEV above and below the average.
>> I'm an American, remember? I only care about what's happening in my
>> neighborhood.
>
>
> So, what is happening there? Mine's mostly overgrown as its to
> freakin' hot to mow... and my wife made me lose the chickens who had
> been keeping it cut down pretty well...
>
> A
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On Thu, Jul 12, 2007 at 11:40:11AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 07/11/07 18:44, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 10:31:29PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> On 07/10/07 22:21, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>>>> I thought you established that it doesn't get hot in Canada.
>> Well, I'm almost in canada and it's 104F (40C) here today with 106F (41C)
>> tomorrow
>> and saturday. But, as was already said, at least its a dry heat. So much
>> for our 85F (29C) average...
>
> That's why it's called an *average*.
>
> Because people (even, apparently, smart people like you) seem to fixate on
> that "average" number and think that "because that's the average, that's
> what the temperature is supposed to be", weather sites should *not* post
> average, but *should* post the *range* of temperatures 1 STDDEV above and
> below the average.
please Ron. I'm fully aware of what an average is and was merely jumping on the "let's
discuss random weather stuff" band-wagon and having a little fun.
sheesh.
I agree though that the range of temperatures would be really nice to
see. The high and low with 1 stddev above and below each would
actually be useful information.
so it goes and cheers...
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>> Because people (even, apparently, smart people like you) seem to fixate on
>> that "average" number and think that "because that's the average, that's
>> what the temperature is supposed to be", weather sites should *not* post
>> average, but *should* post the *range* of temperatures 1 STDDEV above and
>> below the average.
>
> please Ron. I'm fully aware of what an average is and was merely jumping on the "let's
> discuss random weather stuff" band-wagon and having a little fun.
>
> sheesh.
>
> I agree though that the range of temperatures would be really nice to
> see. The high and low with 1 stddev above and below each would
> actually be useful information.
Sorry for joining this OT thread.
Don't get misled by the subject; this has nothing to do with mathematics:
1) stddev's only apply, if temperatures would vary statistically and
would therefore show a Gaussian distribution around a mean value.
Neither is the case.
2) If temperatures would vary statistically, it would be enough to give
the stddev, because 'above' and 'below' would be the same value.
The fact that 'above' and 'below' are generally different values, is a
direct hint that 1) does not apply. This is probably one of the reasons
why meteorologists give mean temperatures in January and July, but no
stddev.
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On 07/31/07 11:08, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> [snip]
>>> Because people (even, apparently, smart people like you) seem to fixate on
>>> that "average" number and think that "because that's the average, that's
>>> what the temperature is supposed to be", weather sites should *not* post
>>> average, but *should* post the *range* of temperatures 1 STDDEV above and
>>> below the average.
>> please Ron. I'm fully aware of what an average is and was merely jumping on the "let's
>> discuss random weather stuff" band-wagon and having a little fun.
>
>> sheesh.
>
>> I agree though that the range of temperatures would be really nice to
>> see. The high and low with 1 stddev above and below each would
>> actually be useful information.
>
> Sorry for joining this OT thread.
>
> Don't get misled by the subject; this has nothing to do with mathematics:
>
> 1) stddev's only apply, if temperatures would vary statistically and
By "statistically", do you mean "evenly"?
(It's been a number of decades since I've needed to know more than
just the generalities of bell curves, standard deviations, tails, etc.)
> would therefore show a Gaussian distribution around a mean value.
> Neither is the case.
>
> 2) If temperatures would vary statistically, it would be enough to give
> the stddev, because 'above' and 'below' would be the same value.
>
> The fact that 'above' and 'below' are generally different values, is a
> direct hint that 1) does not apply. This is probably one of the reasons
> why meteorologists give mean temperatures in January and July, but no
> stddev.
I don't know what the year-on-year temperature variability is like
in Germany, but here in the US it's quite high.
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Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA USA
Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!
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[OT] Mathematics and the uselessness of numbers (was Help buyin
On 31 Jul, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
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> Sorry for joining this OT thread.
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> Don't get misled by the subject; this has nothing to do with
> mathematics:
>
> 1) stddev's only apply, if temperatures would vary statistically and
> would therefore show a Gaussian distribution around a mean value.
> Neither is the case.
>
The definition of standard deviation has nothing to do with Gaussian
distributions. It is arguable more useful if the variable varies
randomly (Gaussian distribution).
> 2) If temperatures would vary statistically, it would be enough to
> give the stddev, because 'above' and 'below' would be the same value.
>
> The fact that 'above' and 'below' are generally different values, is a
> direct hint that 1) does not apply. This is probably one of the
> reasons why meteorologists give mean temperatures in January and July,
> but no stddev.
>
> Johannes
>
One can certainly give the standard deviation of maximum and minimum
temperatures. It may not be useful for calculating other figures of
merit though, especially if the time interval considered is small.
-Chris
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On 07/12/07 12:25, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2007 at 11:40:11AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 07/11/07 18:44, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 10:31:29PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>>> On 07/10/07 22:21, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>>>>> I thought you established that it doesn't get hot in Canada.
>>> Well, I'm almost in canada and it's 104F (40C) here today with 106F (41C)
>>> tomorrow
>>> and saturday. But, as was already said, at least its a dry heat. So much
>>> for our 85F (29C) average...
>> That's why it's called an *average*.
>>
>> Because people (even, apparently, smart people like you) seem to fixate on
>> that "average" number and think that "because that's the average, that's
>> what the temperature is supposed to be", weather sites should *not* post
>> average, but *should* post the *range* of temperatures 1 STDDEV above and
>> below the average.
>
> please Ron. I'm fully aware of what an average is and was merely jumping on the "let's
> discuss random weather stuff" band-wagon and having a little fun.
>
> sheesh.
I shouldn't have sounded so harsh, and transferred to you my
aggravation with most people.
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Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA USA
Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!
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On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 10:15:49PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >Oddly enough, this moisture problem has even cause people to develop
> >specific units whose only purpose is to remove moisture from the air.
> >They are called dehumidifiers.
>
> Why remove the humidity and leave the heat? Doesn't sound very bright.
>
Isn't it the Texans that love 40C weather and say "Oh, but its a _dry_
heat"?
Doug.
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On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 11:36:43PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 10:15:49PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> > >Oddly enough, this moisture problem has even cause people to develop
> > >specific units whose only purpose is to remove moisture from the air.
> > >They are called dehumidifiers.
> >
> > Why remove the humidity and leave the heat? Doesn't sound very bright.
> >
>
> Isn't it the Texans that love 40C weather and say "Oh, but its a _dry_
> heat"?
>
1. Ron is from Louisiana
2. It *is* a dry heat (except maybe in the east part of the state)
Regards,
-Roberto
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Sooo...
If I live in a very wet and hot weather in half of the year, and a
very dry and somewhat cold weather in the other half, like S
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On Jul 11, 2007, at 4:24 AM, ispmarin wrote:Is there a range in laser toner's price?Yes, it varies widely from printer to printer, and depending on whether the cartridge is all-new or recycled. Toner cartridges range from $45 to over $200.I usually find recycled cartridges pretty reliable in older printers. They're a somewhat iffier proposition in newer ones; fancy features like out-of-toner sensing sometimes don't get along with recycled cartridges. David BrodbeckInformation Technology Specialist 3Computational LinguisticsUniversity of Washington
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> Isn't it the Texans that love 40C weather
> and say "Oh, but its a _dry_ heat" ?
Doug ....
That's the mantra of the cactus-leagers .... :-)
I am a Texan transplanted to Arizona
a little over 25 years ago ....
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On Jul 10, 2007, at 8:15 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:On 07/10/07 22:07, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: Oddly enough, this moisture problem has even cause people to developspecific units whose only purpose is to remove moisture from the air.They are called dehumidifiers. Why remove the humidity and leave the heat? Doesn't sound very bright.There are situations where removing the heat either isn't desirable, because it would make the space too cold, or is inconvenient, because there's nowhere to vent the hot exhaust air from a portable A/C. Dehumidifiers are also usually a bit cheaper to run. Unlike an A/C unit, they don't have to push the heat "uphill" against a temperature gradient. David BrodbeckInformation Technology Specialist 3Computational LinguisticsUniversity of Washington
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On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 09:59:25PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> Well, no, because here in the US we have air conditioners. I
> understand that up in the Great White North it rarely gets above 10C
> and so you've only heard rumors of such things, but they do a great
> job of, among other things, keeping the air dry inside the house.
>
>
Unfortunatly, I've been stuck in Southern Ontario for the past 3 years.
It hit 30C today! (that's 90F for the poor Amereekans who don't do SI).
OTOH, two weeks ago I was on Quebec's lower North Shore where the high
was 15C (60F); heaven. Unfortunatly, I don't speak french (and have
difficulty with languages).
Unfortunaly, we Canadians love Americans so much that its hard to
find a grocery store (or a printer supply store) more than 300 miles
away from the US boarder, which makes it expensive to live north. A
sorry state for a country that stretches over 2000 miles north of the
boarder.
OTOH, we do have OpenBSD.
Doug.
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ispmarin wrote:
> I am looking for a printer with very low per page cost (catridges,
> tonners etc) and not very expensive to buy. I dont care if it is laser
> or deskjet. Performance is not a issue (it can be slow), and the
> quality of the page dont need to be high (I will print mainly texts
> and code, and very occasionally a graph), and can be black and white.
> Does anybody has some suggestions?
Our nashuatec DSm 415 prints about 13000 pages (economy mode off) on one
toner refill box at around 30 Euro. (I guess it is a rebranded Ricoh)
Less than .3 Eurocent / page.
Johannes
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